Posted on 11/17/2005 4:20:47 PM PST by churchillbuff
Don't know how many of you caught Rep. John Murtha's very angry, very moving speech just now in which he called on the White House to institute an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. CNN didn't air the entire thing, but as I listened to it, I could feel the ground shift. Murtha, as you know, is not a Pelosi-style Chardonnay Democrat; he's a crusty retired career Marine who reminds me of the kinds of beer-slugging Democrats we used to have before the cultural left took over the party. Murtha, a conservative Dem who voted for the war, talked in detail about the sacrifices being borne by our soldiers and their families, and about his visits out to Walter Reed to look after the maimed, and how we've had enough, it's time to come home. He was hell on the president too.
If tough, non-effete guys like Murtha are willing to go this far, and can make the case in ways that Red America can relate to -- and listening to him talk was like listening to my dad, who's about the same age, and his hunting buddies -- then the president is in big trouble. I'm sure there's going to be an anti-Murtha pile-on in the conservative blogosphere, but from where I sit, conservatives would be fools not to take this man seriously.
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Well somebody better tell Murtha, because I went to his own web site and he lists absolutely no medals or awards for his service during the Korean war.
And demonstrate that experience is not neccessarily the best teacher, But, then choosing to be a Democrat, showed us that.
Just too damn good. Oh, much thanks for posting that.
Dreher is a fool for ascribing seriousness to any Democrat, saving maybe Leiberman, and a useful tool for the traitors in the politics. No serious person states as he did today. Now we know he said this last year, and Dreher has egg on his face.
You should have done some research before making such statements:
According to the Military Officers Association of America, there are 141 Members
of the 109th Congress who have had some form of military service.15 The House has 110;
the Senate 31. They have served in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Persian
Gulf, and Kosovo, and during times of peace, as well as in the Reserves and the National
Guard. As noted above, one Senator is a former Secretary of the Navy.
You cannot tell me that Murtha was the only one of 110 who saw combat. What makes him special? He is old, bitter, and a hack for Pelosi and the liberal RATs now. His serving in combat was honorable but John Kerry served in Vietnam too and what I think of him is not printable! Get tired of because someone served in combat, they can say whatever they want. His statements are doing harm to the military that are overseas today so he deserves every last insult he is getting now.
BRAVO! Very well stated!
Wonder how many apologizers on this thread think the RATs are doing a good job in Congress in the FR poll?
"He can say whatever he damn well pleases!"
And this Vietnam combat vet can tell him to go straight to Hades! Anyone else out there can, too.
When did military service make one's political views immune to criticism or disagreement?
Arrogant old fart!
Murtha isn't an American...he is a DemocRAT!
Non-Sequitor: John Murtha has two wars as a Marine under his belt - Korea and Vietnam. He can say whatever he damn well pleases.
I never served in the military but I do watch a lot of war movies, am I also allowed to say whatever I damn well please or does that freedom only apply to war vets?
"He gives the man's argument credence because he is....crusty?"
HeeHee, very good. Monti
My old unwashed underwear is also "crusty"
Will Dreher consider it's "worthy"opinion on Iraq also?
Same difference.
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| Posted by white trash redneck On News/Activism ^ 01/05/2005 9:41:22 AM CST · 13 replies · 396+ views The Hill ^ | 5 jan 05 | Hans Nichols Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) is actively lobbying Democratic National Committee (DNC) delegates to select former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean as their next chairman. The endorsement of the leading antiwar presidential candidate by one of the Democrat's most prominent early supporters of the Iraq invasion signals a rehabilitation of Dean's image in the House and greatly increases his prospects of leading the party, many Democratic lawmakers and aides saidSeveral lawmakers said support by the hardscrabble, old-school Vietnam veteran, who endorsed former Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.) in the presidential primaries, would compel the DNC to take a second look at the firebrand... |
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He's not sucking up to his base. He has plenty of families of service people serving in Iraq in his district and they will NOT be pleased to hear for him calling for surrender. This s.o.b. abandoned the military before the '04 election when he thought that there was a shot to get his Chairmanship back in the House. Now he really smells blood and he's sick and tired of the indignities of being in the minority. He will do anything - whatever it takes including selling his country out - to get his perks and power back. If the Republicans don't lose the House in '06, this old fart will do exactly what many of the Democrat old Bulls have done since '94 --- QUIT!
Well done! Nodding fervently in agreement.
Good evening and the very best to you and yours.
Semper Fi
Tommie
"The left made the military LOSE VIETNAM..."
The military didn't lose that war, they weren't allowed to fight it to the best of their ability (IMO). Much like Korea (and Iraq), Vietnam was not perceived as a direct threat by alot of Americans. If it were a direct threat, all Americans would have been asked to sacrifice for the war effort. They weren't. Why? I think because in Vietnam we were fighting based on a theory (Domino), not a direct threat. I think it's the same now. The theory is if we bring democracy to the Middle East, stability will follow. I'm not sure I agree with the theory. I'm not sure I agree with fighting a war to test a theory. I would rather see our efforts directed toward improving border security and our immigration procedures and use the military to strike down terrorists when and wherever they're located.
"Maybe America isn't worth saving..."
Saving from what? Americans fight best, as a nation, when we are fighting for our survival... we aren't there yet. Perhaps we will be sooner or later and millions of us will die but those of us who remain will prevail. I don't doubt it for a second.
So f***ing what? If he had fought two wars does this mean he cannot be a traitor by aiding and abetting the enemy as he is doing now? This Murtha is a defeatist traitor period.
What treason?
We won and Saddam lost.
Mission successfully accomplished.
Time to bring the troops home and let the Iraqis govern themselves.
A friend of ours was in the same two wars, a top kick who later became a school administrator. When my son went into the army, we were discussing the way it operated, and he said that despite his experince, he had no clue about making war today. Experience can be disabling. Murtha has nothing worthwhile to say. He doesn't know how things work. He can't tell good from bad,
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