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FACTORY PRODUCTION REBOUNDS STRONGLY! ("Hoover Economy Alert!")
AP | MARTIN CRUTSINGER

Posted on 11/17/2005 6:19:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Output at the nation's factories, mines and utilities rose at the fastest pace in 17 months in October, posting a solid rebound from the devastating Gulf Coast hurricanes. The Federal Reserve reported that industrial output was up a healthy 0.9 percent last month as refineries and oil and natural gas platforms began production again after widespread shutdowns caused by hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Last month's increase followed a 1.5 percent plunge in September, which had been the biggest one-month drop in industrial production in more than two decades.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: busheconomy; bushsfault; economy; onlyafewmillionleft; quagmire; thebusheconomy
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

You can't deny that the business cycle was given a shot in the arm from the tax cuts.


61 posted on 11/17/2005 8:42:52 AM PST by Eva
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To: Rennes Templar
There was absolutley no correlation, he just happened to be pres when the tech boom took

Correct, and Scumbag happened to be president when the pending Y2K preparations and the mega-billions needed worldwide to comply happened.

Scumbag should receive neither credit for that nor criticism for the March 2000 stock market crash. Bush should receive neither credit for an economic indicator today nor blame for the recession.

Presidents have little to do with economic trends.

62 posted on 11/17/2005 8:43:36 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: LS

There's a lot of people have to replace EVERYTHING from underwear to automobiles to homes. Invest in refrigerator and freezer manufacturers. You ought to see how many folks threw them out after power being off for several weeks.


63 posted on 11/17/2005 8:45:42 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: Eva
You can't deny that the business cycle was given a shot in the arm from the tax cuts.

Eva, yes I can deny that because it is not true. You probably do not know what exactly the business cycle is--I take it that you have no formal background in economics.

Spending was given a boost by tax cuts, not the business cycle. Business cycles, by their very name, are CYCLICAL, which implies longer trends pre and post-tax cuts. Also, as I said in previous posts, the USA represents only 20% of the world economy. Even a tax cut in the USA can't prevent a recession if 80% of the rest of the world were to have tax increases (hypothetical). The fact is the global economy has more sway over the global business cycle than what a tax cut has in a nation (the USA) that represents only 20% of the world economy.

Tax cuts are a good thing--we agree. But it is not true that "a tax cut gives the business cycle a shot in the arm".

64 posted on 11/17/2005 8:52:49 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I do believe the economy is quite healthy presently, but this report does NOT show that. It's showing that industrial production is still down from before the Hurricanes, hardly impressive.


65 posted on 11/17/2005 8:54:28 AM PST by dangus
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To: traderrob6
POTUS can have a nominal effect on the former but significant on the latter.

Wrong.

Following a recession, capacity is not usually a problem. Just the opposite--too much capacity. POTUS can not have an effect on anything in the Index of Coincident Indicators like industrial production. POTUS has some input into the future leading indicators and, assuming has been in office for a few years, has some influence on lagging indicators, but the POTUS has next to nothing to do with a coincident indicator such as industrial production.

Once again, the issue is moot, as the business cycle carries the greatest weigting factor and dwarfs any possible input of POTUS.

66 posted on 11/17/2005 9:03:50 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: gondramB
"The problem with the tax cuts is that we did not cut spending. If you have a bloated government and cut taxes without cutting spending you just get a bloated government deeper in debt."

Initially yes, but wasn't the predicted deficit +$600 Billion start of 2005 and now we are looking at $300 billion?

More tax receipts makes for more money in the government coffers.
67 posted on 11/17/2005 9:30:37 AM PST by PureTrouble
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

The fact is Clinton recieved all credit and no blame. W should receive same from the hypocratic MSM.


68 posted on 11/17/2005 9:36:02 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

All that may be true. It doesn't matter.

I still think it's Bush's fault.


69 posted on 11/17/2005 9:51:17 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Presidents have little to do with economic trends

True, but presidents set the agenda. Clinton had a booming economy in spite of an anti growth agenda. He presided over a bubble.

Bush set the agenda to pull the economy out of recession by proposing investment and wage tax cuts that had some meat to them. Not just some rebate tossed into the pile.

In the case of Bush's tax cuts, the economic trend can be traced directly to them. Look at GDP growth beginning with 2003 up to date and look at GDP growth prior to 2003.

70 posted on 11/17/2005 10:07:54 AM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: groanup

But the fact remains that the business cycle itself has far more to do with the current state of the economy than anything any president does or does not do.


71 posted on 11/17/2005 10:24:33 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
We're going in circles here. Of course you're right that the state of the economy has everything to do with the business cycle, just as the business cycle has everything to do with the state of the economy. Government can have a significant effect on the state of the economy with tax policy.

The Federal Reserve can (and usually does) have everything to do with the state of the economy because it affects business cycles by mananging short term rates and bank reserves but it is still the president who appoints Fed governers and the chairman.

72 posted on 11/17/2005 10:48:16 AM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: libill
What factories? The U.S. doesn't make much any more.

In terms of value in dollars, the U.S. makes more today than it ever has it its history. The difference is in two places. One, what companies are making things, and two, how many people it takes to make a thing.

Today, it takes far fewer auto workers to build a car than it did in 1950. And cars built in America does not mean Detroit and the "Big Three". It means the sunbelt and Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, and Hyundai.

Also, manufacturing does not just mean motors and things with motors. It also means chips and things with chips. And many of those chips (and most of the most complicated chips) are manufactured in America. One of the great myths out there is chip manufacturing is all moving to Taiwan. The reality is only the U.S., Japan, Europe, and Israel can fabricate sophisticated semiconductors such as high-end microprocessors.

People wrongly associate manufacturing jobs with manufacturing capacity or manufacturing output.

And the "manufacture" (that is, programming) of software is not included in manufacturing output, nor is the sale of software to overseas customers included in trade deficit. Only the value of the CD-ROM (assuming it is even shipped by CD-ROM) and printed manuals are included in foreign trade numbers. So billions of dollars of Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM software created in America by thousands of American engineers is not included in the trade numbers.

Similarly to the myth about semiconductors, all software programming is not moving to India. Software creation is as much an art as a science, and artists tend to come from free societies. Because of this, new, innovative software, and highly complicated software will continue to to come from the U.S. and Europe. Low-level software such as device drivers will be shipped overseas.

73 posted on 11/17/2005 11:32:48 AM PST by magellan ( by)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
There is a huge lag effect on many presidential initiatives. Ronald Reagan had more to do with the strong economy during Scumbag's eight years than Scumbag ever did. This lag effect passed right through Bush #41's term and impacted the 1990s greatly.

You are so right! Most of the companies of the 1990's tech boom were created during the 1980s. The economic recovery of the 1980s created the environment for the innovation and economic boom of the 1990s.

74 posted on 11/17/2005 11:35:50 AM PST by magellan ( by)
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To: ChadGore
"4.9% - 5.1% FULL unemployment all year"

About half the unemployment rate in France and Germany.
75 posted on 11/17/2005 11:43:52 AM PST by rockthecasbah (4th & 9. 1:32 left in the 4th quarter. Down by 3 at Notre Dame. No problem. Fight on!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

You're right. The current boom in industrial production is due to the Clinton policies that were in effect in the 1990s.

Al Franken


76 posted on 11/17/2005 11:49:53 AM PST by rockthecasbah (4th & 9. 1:32 left in the 4th quarter. Down by 3 at Notre Dame. No problem. Fight on!)
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To: magellan
Sure that's why Nvidia and Ati outsource the manufacture of it's GPU's to TSMC (Taiwan). That's also why Texas Instruments licenses its DLP technology to be built by Samsung. Lots of foreign automobile companies assemble cars in the United States, not manufacture them. They all do that to help the American worker.
77 posted on 11/17/2005 12:34:52 PM PST by libill (Socialism is Communism with a happy face)
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To: rightinthemiddle

and the bubble's about to burst! (The sky is falling!)


78 posted on 11/17/2005 12:42:42 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: 1Old Pro

3:35 [$INDU] Dow industrials set for highest close in 8 months


79 posted on 11/17/2005 1:01:49 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: groanup
We're going in circles here.

No, you are going in circles. I am telling you the straight economic facts of life.

Of course you're right that the state of the economy has everything to do with the business cycle, just as the business cycle has everything to do with the state of the economy.

No, you are incorrect. Each is not the cause of the other. The business cycle iteself carries the greatest weight of all reasons for the current state of the economy. The USA's economy playes second fiddle to other factors that dictate the current state of the economy, since our economy is part of the world economy and the business cycle is global in nature.

The Federal Reserve can (and usually does) have everything to do with the state of the economy . . .

Simply not true.

because it affects business cycles by mananging short term rates

No, the Fed does not manage short term interst rates. Those who say that imply that the Fed makes short term rates go up and down. The Fed is REACTIONARY. The Fed REACTS to market rates and then adjusts rates to reflect what is already happening in the market. The reason why rates go up and down is due to market forces, then the Fed reacts to market forces by adjusting the Fed Funds rate or Discount rate based on what they see happening in the market.

80 posted on 11/17/2005 1:25:21 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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