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FACTORY PRODUCTION REBOUNDS STRONGLY! ("Hoover Economy Alert!")
AP | MARTIN CRUTSINGER

Posted on 11/17/2005 6:19:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Output at the nation's factories, mines and utilities rose at the fastest pace in 17 months in October, posting a solid rebound from the devastating Gulf Coast hurricanes. The Federal Reserve reported that industrial output was up a healthy 0.9 percent last month as refineries and oil and natural gas platforms began production again after widespread shutdowns caused by hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Last month's increase followed a 1.5 percent plunge in September, which had been the biggest one-month drop in industrial production in more than two decades.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: busheconomy; bushsfault; economy; onlyafewmillionleft; quagmire; thebusheconomy
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
...there simply is no relationship.

There's a hell of a relationship between low taxes and growth.

41 posted on 11/17/2005 7:10:12 AM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Liberals will be devestated!


42 posted on 11/17/2005 7:11:22 AM PST by AZRepublican
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To: Quilla
"Uncharacteristically, October was our best month of 2005 and the remainder of the year looks great too."

The city of Mobile is reporting that tax revenues are up 50% (the whole county is reporting similar numbers) due to post Katrina activity.

43 posted on 11/17/2005 7:19:06 AM PST by blam
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To: traderrob6
Likely has more to do with interest rate increases

Absolutely. Al is targeting asset prices (the red hot housing market)

Unfortunately, the Feds always overdo it. The Bond King, Bill Gross, said when that happens, the refinancing boom will end. After that happens, our economy will enter a recession.

Guess who is gonna be blamed? I am putting this on my tagline...

44 posted on 11/17/2005 7:20:30 AM PST by John123 (Yep, GWB is to blame because the housing ATM racket is over...)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The Federal Reserve reported that industrial output was up a healthy 0.9 percent last month as refineries and oil and natural gas platforms began production again after widespread shutdowns caused by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

Last month's increase followed a 1.5 percent plunge in September, which had been the biggest one-month drop in industrial production in more than two decades.

Okay, it's up a little. But, it hasn't even recovered its losses. Still nothing to shout about.

45 posted on 11/17/2005 7:21:04 AM PST by raybbr
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To: TheRobb7
All true, but again, a tax cut in the USA offset by rising taxes in Europe could have a NET effect of slowing the USA's economy. The USA only represents about 20% of the world economy (at least when I last looked at the data).

The biggest driver of the economy is the business cycle itself, not China, not Europe, not the president, not consumer demand, not anything else.

Also, the tax cuts are passed by Congress. They add, subtract or keep the same the president's wishes, but it is not directly attributable to the president but in concert with him.

There is a huge lag effect on many presidential initiatives. Ronald Reagan had more to do with the strong economy during Scumbag's eight years than Scumbag ever did. This lag effect passed right through Bush #41's term and impacted the 1990s greatly.

Thus, my statement about the CURRENT economy.
46 posted on 11/17/2005 7:22:16 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Notice how the stock market ( a forcasting tool) has been moving up nicely in the past 3 months.


47 posted on 11/17/2005 7:25:26 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Confirm Alito before year end!)
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To: groanup

One cog in the wheel, and Congress must pass tax policy. Per the Constitution, the president can not do that.

Again, the USA is only 20% of the world's economy. Our coincident indicators such as industrial production have more to do with the global economy than the economy of just the USA.


48 posted on 11/17/2005 7:25:56 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
What factories? The U.S. doesn't make much any more. And who obscenely raised taxes that closed the factories? Other than that tax cuts do work. All that is needed to see that is open some history books (without the revisionism) or seeing as the lib's like to look at other countries for the wind direction there are lots of foreign countries that have learned that capitalististic tidbit. A capitalististic tidbit that should belong in America, but the egotistical, smarter-than-thou elitists refuse to consider it, perhaps because it's not a Euroweenie principle.
49 posted on 11/17/2005 7:26:29 AM PST by libill (Socialism is Communism with a happy face)
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To: blam

The majority of our orders are for new commercial and residential construction in and around the Dothan area. Although we do ship to the Panama City area occasionally, I can't think of a single hurricane related order. Things are just looking up!


50 posted on 11/17/2005 7:40:40 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
There is a huge lag effect on many presidential initiatives. Ronald Reagan had more to do with the strong economy during Scumbag's eight years than Scumbag ever did. This lag effect passed right through Bush #41's term and impacted the 1990s greatly.

Bingo!

Your assessments in my opinion have been spot on.

One of the investment moves I perceive right now is a modest movement of investment capital from intangibles, Internet, communication infrastructure, etc. to tangibles such as physical infrastructure, area renovations, the construction of new buildings to house actual brick and mortar retail establishments and the resulting capital benefits that come with construction and the creation of physical infrastructure.

51 posted on 11/17/2005 7:53:33 AM PST by A message
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To: libill
The U.S. doesn't make much any more.

[shaking head in wonder]

52 posted on 11/17/2005 7:56:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: sam_paine

And he directed it to only take out black businesses. Talk about precision guided weapons.


53 posted on 11/17/2005 7:57:56 AM PST by LS
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

I think that you're the one who is wrong, here. Bush's tax cuts are what spurred the economy in the first place. We wouldn't even be near this level of production, had it not been for the Bush tax cuts. The tax cuts are also responsible for the growth in home ownership and thus the real estate boom.


54 posted on 11/17/2005 8:02:25 AM PST by Eva
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Again your ability to not see the forest through the trees is noteworthy. The President often proposes as well as spearheads legislation and is an integral force in it's direction. Industrial output is based on both 1) capability (capacity) and 2) % utilization. POTUS can have a nominal effect on the former but significant on the latter.


55 posted on 11/17/2005 8:03:58 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Eva
Honestly Eva, I think some of what has fueled the real estate boom is interest only no down payment home loans. For some folks that could have a really scary outcome.

And do not get me wrong, the tax cuts are beneficial but more so we are coming out of the investment malaise caused by the dot.com meltdown when billions of investment dollars were in many cases flushed down the toilet in the hope of striking it big in the "new" business, Internet sales.

Really much of the "prosperity" we experienced in the 90's was based on large amounts of investment capital tossed at businesses that were ultimately doomed to fail.

Investment capital was there to spend on a new toy" the Internet" because of the Reagan area tax policies.

While there is short term benefit to the current tax cuts, we may not realize the full potential for many years to come. That is why they need to be made permanent.

56 posted on 11/17/2005 8:18:53 AM PST by A message
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To: A message

The interest only loans came after the boom was well under way. The boom started, initially, as a safe investment vehicle. Then when the rates hit bottom, first time buyers jumped into the market (I think there was actually some gov't incentive offered for first time buyers). The thing just began to spiral from there. Now that you can put rental properties into your IRA, a lot of people just feel safer investing in real estate, than the stock market.


57 posted on 11/17/2005 8:25:05 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
a lot of people just feel safer investing in real estate, than the stock market.

Agreed.

Speculation can have a very dark side to it when dealing in intangibles, whether that is the stock market or for that matter beenie babies and collectibles. Ultimately intangibles are worth nothing until someone ponies up money for them.

Whatever the foibles from speculating on real estate can bring, it is a tangible and should have long term endurance.

58 posted on 11/17/2005 8:33:12 AM PST by A message
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

I agree with you to a point. But the issue here is media driven perception. If there were not term limits, Clinton would probably still be president and perhaps king of the world due to the assocation with economic health and his rule during the 90's. There was absolutley no correlation, he just happened to be pres when the tech boom took off. So accurate or not, Bush deserves the same virtual credit.


59 posted on 11/17/2005 8:37:51 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Eva

Eva, I apppreciate your enthusiasm, but I responded from an economics point of fact. You are responding like this is some RAT vs Republican issue and you are in the cheering section for the Republicans.

From a scientific, educational and real world angle, the business cycle and global economy have the sway over the USA's current economic coincidental indicators, not anything President Bush has done directly.

That is Economics 101 fact.


60 posted on 11/17/2005 8:39:06 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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