Posted on 11/16/2005 3:40:35 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
Yes, all of the above are organized according to the chemical properties with which they have been imbued since the beginning, and they behave according to the physical laws which God established in the beginning except in those instances He decides to intervene.
Science, just as in this case, will continually uncover a universe that demonstrates design and order. That's a prediction.
Who said that intelligent agents could not organize matter? You are reading things into what others say that just isn't there. ID is not scientific because it does not live up to the criteria of testability and falsification, not because of some inference about ID creating organization.
That's the point.
It's now on the list of possible additions.
Oh? Are you God, then? Are the folks who produce my son's insulin, God? Of course not. Which just goes to show that, with this statement you're imposing an unnecessary layer on the hypothesis, and in so doing you have met the exact standard for building the dreaded "strawman argument."
You make "the biotech guy" do the same as God, they must therefore be as God.
But I don't "make" the biotech guy do anything except what he's doing -- which is intelligent design, sans the supernatural trappings. Which leaves you somewhat short of having made a point.
All this simply drives home the point I've been making all along: your characterization of what and ID hypothesis must include is incorrect.
Would you mind if I told you to butt out?
How can you, a self-professed atheist, say what God will or will not do?
Leave this field for me and others of my ilk. We at least have a Book (of myths, some say) that we quote-mine from.
For example:
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Does those chemical properties include the semi-random chemical alterations in DNA producing different expressed characteristics over long periods of time? Some of which will be more beneficial to the organism than others?
Keep going, Fester! You've almost caught up!
Are you getting dizzy yet?
Too big or too small?
I disagree on two counts. First, there may be a way to test this inference. Second, it is not testability (or falsifibility) that necessarily define what is, or is not scientific.
Meanwhile, I would like to know why, if something is absolutely true in every sense and by its very nature cannot be falsified, then it is by necessity "unscientific."
To me the essential falsification of intelligent design would be the disintegration of all particle matter along with all intelligence capable of observing it. The falsification of intelligent design, therefore, would be the end of science altogether.
"Let God be true, though every man be a liar."
So now you say there's two kinds of ID, the supernatural kind and the kind we all do every day?
Want to rethink "coy" as appropriate?
One would think that Man, with His wisdom, could have come up with a better word for palindrome than that: it otto read the same backwards: doncha think?
If a scientific case can be made for a Prime Mover, then the case for personal revelation is strengthened as the Prime Mover would have the capability of communicating with its creation.
Damn! Now he won't even let you go to hell.
If you spent as much time answering the question as you did dodging it, we'd have finished this conversation already.
History will doubtless bear out minor alterations in the make up of this or that entity. But, from the standpoint of certifiable observation and documentation the biblical paradigm remains sound. The fossil record alone is a remarkably simple, and potent, testimony to the fact of a world-wide deluge as recorded as handed down to us by a prior generation of observers.
No more of that FAITH stuff!
John 20:27-29
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Oversimplying, the first law states that energy cannot be destroyed; it converts from one form to another. The second is that order tends to disorder (entropy) in the universe as a whole.
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