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Kristol: Pathetic (The me-too Republicans wimp out on Iraq)
The Weekly Standard ^ | November 15, 2005 | William Kristol

Posted on 11/15/2005 5:30:28 PM PST by RWR8189

Pathetic.

One expected no better of the Senate Democrats, who want to get out of Iraq as soon as possible, or sooner than possible--most of them don't really care--and who want to embarrass president Bush. But couldn't the Senate Republicans have stood and fought against passing an irresponsible resolution suggesting that Americans want to get out of Iraq more than we want to win?

The Republican leadership may have figured they didn't have the votes to defeat the Democratic proposal without giving their members a weaker alternative to vote for. But better to lose such a vote by a small margin than to go on record voting for a resolution that sends a signal of irresolution and weakness at precisely the time when a message of strength is most needed. After all, in precisely a month, the Iraqis will vote for their first government under the new constitution, and one thing they must weigh in their calculations is whether they can count on U.S. staying power in the fight against the terrorists. With today's vote in the Senate, the Republican leadership, apparently working hand in glove with White House staff, showed itself today to be tactically myopic and politically timid.

One hopes Republicans in the House will show more spine. One trusts that President Bush will not bend in any way to these winds of worry. One hopes that a year from now this vote is simply remembered as a minor hiccup on the way to success and victory in Iraq. But one doesn't win a war by showing weakness. And one doesn't win a political fight by half capitulating to one's opponents, and, in effect, accepting the premises of their critique.

All honor to the 13 Republican senators who stood up against the me-too, we-want-to-get-out-as-well-but-not-quite-as-quickly, Republican leadership: Bunning, Burr, Chambliss, Coburn, DeMint, Graham, Inhofe, Isakson, Kyl, McCain, Sessions, Thune, and Vitter. Let's hope their colleagues reconsider and join their ranks in the near future.

--William Kristol


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; 109thcongress; 1firstkeyword; bunning; burr; chambliss; coburn; demint; foxnews; frist; graham; inhofe; iraq; iraqwar; isakson; kristol; kyl; mccain; pinktutu; rino; rinos; senateleadership; sessions; thune; timetable; vitter; wariniraq
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To: rodguy911

yes, adultry is a wonderful principal.....

(ducking)


61 posted on 11/15/2005 6:16:50 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: Soul Seeker

I won't be sitting out any elections. I will be finding republicans/conservatives to run against them. The House has been pretty steady, imho. It is the Senate that is weak. I agree with you on the two main issues and if these republican senators are gonna jump ship, we should find republicans from the house or elsewhere to replace them.


62 posted on 11/15/2005 6:17:13 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: rodguy911

Apparently so.

If keeps up, I look forward to more sourgrapes from losers of the elections about conservatives in '06 when they sit at home on their butts to teach the GOP a much needed lesson in letting RINO's set the damn agenda.

I'd give the House up, too, if not for protecting the President. Right now thumbs down on Senate Majority, Thumbs up on House Majority to protect the Prez from partisan impeachment.


63 posted on 11/15/2005 6:17:49 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Ole Okie

HA! GA here too..

Chambliss is GREAT, glad Isakson showed some spine today... but he's not my favorite guy...

I hear Coburn is TREMENDOUS....


64 posted on 11/15/2005 6:18:16 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: RWR8189

All credit to John McCain


65 posted on 11/15/2005 6:19:20 PM PST by kabar
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To: eeevil conservative

These guys are just trying to jump on the bandwagon. If you have been paying attention, there have been lots of signals that this is already in the works. It is in the smaller supplemental, in the reduced troop rotation plans, in blair and the pres of Iraq's comments. The Senate is just trying to take credit for it.


66 posted on 11/15/2005 6:20:06 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: penelopesire

If you can find a candidate and win a primary against them, go for it. If not, I want them to lose.

The House WAS steady until Delay left and the RINO's took control. Without Delay they are about worthless, apparently, except for protecting the President which is important.


67 posted on 11/15/2005 6:20:33 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: demkicker

Hah! I was thinking the SAME thing. It is a parallel universe we woke up to today.

As someone said on another thread, the Republicans have Democrat Lookalitis.


68 posted on 11/15/2005 6:21:42 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: ClaireSolt

EXACTLY!

THis is the snivering idiots trying to make it look like it is THEM bringing the troops home. Like THEY are running the show and telling Bush how to do things....


69 posted on 11/15/2005 6:22:00 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: ontos-on
am not a McCain fan, but I welcome his correct "nay" vote on this

Give the devil his due, he was right on this one.

70 posted on 11/15/2005 6:22:19 PM PST by MNJohnnie (100% of Islamic Terrorists disapprove of the job President Bush is doing)
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To: onyx

Man...it is wicked up here


71 posted on 11/15/2005 6:22:55 PM PST by wardaddy (Captain Spaulding .....the perfect dinner guest)
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To: cubreporter
However, it is about telling the enemy a time frame so they can sit on their duffs and wait until we leave and then kick Butt all over again.

The resolution that was passed asked for no time table. In fact it's really status quo that passed.

72 posted on 11/15/2005 6:23:54 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: ClaireSolt

Oh, I know.

They voted for a resolution of action from the administration, that they were already fullfilling voluntarily. This was grandstanding on behalf of the Senators to claim credit for the administration's actions and successes.

The problem, however, is that it projects a signal they feel they need to assert "control" in the public eye against the administration because of polls. The perception is that they smacked the President, and they certainly smacked the Iraqi people in the demeaning comments made by Warner and collegues.

've lost respect for all but a dozen at most Senators in the body because of it.


73 posted on 11/15/2005 6:24:15 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: ryan71

"It's quite clear these "Republican" Senators are plants."

They aren't plants. They are Republicans.

This nation has moved to the left over the years. There are now three political parties.

The Conservatives - The Right
The Liberals - The Left
The Republicrats - The Center

This is why O'Connor is known as the swing vote. Our nation hasn't changed. Our politicians changed. And herein lies the battle in 08. A RAT pol cannot win the primary without the left vote. A Republican pol cannot win without the right vote. However, it will be someone from the middle that will win in 08. Because the middle are the swing voters.



74 posted on 11/15/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Peach
As someone said on another thread, the Republicans have Democrat Lookalitis.

Democrat Lookalitis may indeed be more dangerous and contagious than Bird Flu. I hear there's a vaccine we can get at the ballot box. Spread the word...

75 posted on 11/15/2005 6:24:42 PM PST by demkicker
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To: Soul Seeker

Thanks, I used this as the main part of my email to Senatewhore Allard, R-CO.


76 posted on 11/15/2005 6:25:20 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: wardaddy

It WAS wicked here --- sent it up your way.
I am having quite an initiation to "weather."
Thank God, the power has stayed on. So many huge, old trees in the immediate area, inccluding four in my own yard.


77 posted on 11/15/2005 6:25:24 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: RWR8189

Watching the Congress lately is like watching the NFL over the last 35 years or so.

Lately, to me, it seems to be all about parity.

Last year we gave the Republican Party everything that they needed to get some things done, and they are pissing it all away.

I am disgusted with most of them.

Don't blame me though, I am from Massachusetts.


78 posted on 11/15/2005 6:26:08 PM PST by Radix (Wishful Thinking: A Tag Line Field which actually contains enough places to complete a serious thou)
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To: RWR8189

I thought McCain and Isakson were RINO's and no better then Dems?

At least that's what all the 'pure' Republicans tell me.

God, I'm sick of them.


79 posted on 11/15/2005 6:26:20 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: demkicker

LOL!!!


80 posted on 11/15/2005 6:26:31 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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