Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
...HANNITY: Because you had made a controversial statement, and you seem to be backing off of it now, and it was that people that are here illegally, that they all ought to be sent back.
I'm paraphrasing.
And it seems like now you've sort of backed off that position a little bit, because there are million that we estimate that are in this country illegally.
Why wouldn't we send them back?
CHERTOFF: ...I also recognize we've got, according to some estimates, 10 to 11 million illegals already in this country working. And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Why — in that sense, aren't you really rewarding those that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty? In other words, OK, you're saying, you came into this country illegally.
Now that we've identified you, we're going to let you even stay longer and make money, and then you can go back in three to six years.
Why don't we say, no, you're here illegally, you didn't respect our laws, you ought to go home? Why don't we just say that?
CHERTOFF: Well, Sean, you know, it's really an issue of practicality.
I mean, as a practical matter, we've got to identify these people and pull them out of the shadows.
Now, this is not an amnesty. This is not — the president's proposal is not a path to citizenship. It's clearly temporary, and it clearly envisions people who would have to commit to go back....
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Take care Mo1.
Hopefully we'll someday again have an honest intelligent president with some real strength of character.
Ok, so now that you shot your mouth off why don't you tell us how we go about identifying and deporting 10 or 20 million people and what the direct and indirect costs would be. I suppose you have a plan to pay for it without raising taxes too.
Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters
" Show me a person that has never done anything illegal and I show you someone with a poor memory or a damn liar."
You and GWB need to have a pow-wow together and decide which of these silly laws on our books you two feel should be enforced and which shouldn't...ok?
get back to us ASAP.
"Ok, so now that you shot your mouth off why don't you tell us how we go about identifying and deporting 10 or 20 million people and what the direct and indirect costs would be. I suppose you have a plan to pay for it without raising taxes too."
A good start would be to validate all existing SS numbers that have been issued.
Just a start... there are lots more ways to find out too.
DENVER POST FEB 24, 2005
Like your rewriting my words and make it appear that I said something that I didnt is not a personal attack. I never said anything about lower gas prices, free health care and guaranteed social security w/o changes in the program being illegal. That was all you setting up a red herring. WHen I called you on your lack of reading skills, you are the one that goes off the wall. Go back and read the thread. I was being saracastic of those that expect that just because someone says the American want something is no reason that they should expect to get it out of thin air.
I appreciate the lesson. I want to change the laws to reflect some sense of sanity. The alternative is to invite a police state and human misery of staggering proportions...... "amigo"
Cut them off from their employers and they'll self deport. This means employer sanctions. 60% of illegal aliens will leave under their own steam. You might have to find a new landscaper. No es mi problemo
I'll take that bet. Send your contribution to JimRob. You do know illegals are deported every day in this country, Don't you?
Are you a lawyer?
Do you realize how prevalent fake ID's are and many of them are difficult to differentiate from the real thing. So now you are going to send some citizen to prison because the US government and the various states cant prevent forgery of valid documents?
Look, I know you hate my immigration stuff but show SOME decency, will ya? HELL no! And I never boinked my sister, either, ok?
OK and thanks.
"The alternative is to invite a police state and human misery of staggering."
No police state needed. Just enforce existing laws.
Human misery?
C'mon... trundle back over to DU, please....
I've had about enough of your pointless so called "arguments" for Amnesty.
You've failed miserably on this thread to provide any meaningful reason why we should grant illegals (Sh)amnesty...other than to parrot the useless Chertoffs "it's inconvenient" line.....I'm outta here.
Have fun.
No...I have a problem with Illegal labor.
Do you?
If the market requires it and there is a vacuume, guess what there will be cheap labor.
I guess if the "market" required all the stuff from your house be taken and sold, that'd be OK too? Your idea of complete Laisses Faire is just modern Robber Baron-ism. The Markets should be free, but not to exploit Illegal labor to artificially drive down costs, and thus maximize profits vs the actual costs for those "cheap" laborers...like the Welfare...Hospital...Schools...avoidance of taxes...Social security Fraud...can you refute this?
It also artificially depresses the actual cost of labor...which is why High School kids don't take/get those jobs! Nothing like rigging the "Market Forces" to ensure your labor costs are low, versus the competitive nature of "I won't do that for $X, but for $X+1" labor forces. If there is no one that will DO your "underpriced labor" job, then you either close, raise the labor pay, or do it yourself. Backing Illegal Immigration and screwing the US Taxpayer for your greed and fraud is NOT an option!
Agriculture and the jobs you were discribing require low tech and high labor, guess what? If HS kids could fill the job they would but they can't so we require low wage labor. Now call me a liberal or whatever.
Hmm...so let's see...maybe if I go to Africa and just grab some folk off the street, and chain them to the trucks in the field, and only give them bread and water, and maybe 5 cents an hour....that'd be good "Market Forces", right? I would be able to lower that cost of lettuce even further! ( I just wouldn't pass on those savings to the consumer...).
By using Illegal Immigrant Labor, you simply avoided the import cost of your slaves.
Industrialization IS the solution to the Illegal Labor market...but morons like you make it cheaper to continue to exploit slave labor instead of innovating the harvesting process. Oh, in case you don't understand, look into Tomato harvesting.
Are you sure you're not an immigration lawyer ???? .... nevermind... just kidding.
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