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And how is that, Secretary Rice?
www.jnewswire.com ^ | Tuesday, November 15, 2005 01:27 IST | Ryan Jones

Posted on 11/14/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by Esther Ruth

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 01:27 IST JNW EDITORIAL

And how is that, Secretary Rice? By Ryan Jones

November 14th, 2005

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Sunday told reporters while en route to Israel that the birth of a Palestinian Arab state on the biblical lands of Judea, Samaria and Gaza will bring increased security to the Jewish state.

I, for one, would be interested in hearing on what evidence exactly the secretary bases that assessment.

It is important to note that a “Palestinian” state will be ruled by the PLO (now more frequently referred to as the Palestinian Authority), which was for decades the “Al Qaeda” of Islamic terrorism.

Israel agreed, under tremendous American pressure, to enter into negotiations with and recognize Yasser Arafat's organization as the legitimate representative of all Arabs living in Judea, Samaria and Gaza (Yesha) on the shaky assumption the PLO would deal decisively with all other terror groups vying for position.

To this end, Israel allowed the PLO to import thousands of arms.

But since that day, the number of terrorist organizations operating out of those territories has only increased. And those groups are today far better armed than they would ever have hoped to be prior to 1993.

One by one, Israel surrendered control over every major Arab population center in Yesha believing (or at least acting as if they believed), just as Rice claimed Sunday, that doing so would provide nearby Israeli towns with greater security since, naturally, the local Arabs' anger would be assuaged by the gesture.

Is Greater Tel Aviv today safer now that nearby Kalkilya is under PLO control? Has Netanya been offered respite as a result of handing over Tulkarm? Do the citizens of Haifa and the lower Galilee breath easier knowing armed gangs rule the streets of Jenin? What of the residents of holy Jerusalem? Have they suffered less because Ramallah, Bethlehem and Hebron are under the thumb of the “Palestinians”?

Most recently Israel transferred 100 percent of the Gaza Strip to PA control, telling Jewish residents of nearby towns the move would improve their lot and that of their countrymen.

The town of Sderot was immediately pummeled in the largest single Gaza-based rocket attack to date, with the promise of more to come.

In what can only be called a classic case of understatement, Rice noted correctly that more work needs to be done on the security front. The answer, however, does not lie in reforming the PLO/PA or even amending its deadly charter.

Rather, Israel and the US need to recognize that they made a terrible error of judgment in entrusting to a terrorist organization the safety and security of those the terrorists had dedicated their lives to destroying.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that providing the PLO with sovereign rule over Israel's ancient heartland is going to bring any security to the Jewish state. Without exception, all the evidence points to the opposite outcome.

The creation of a Palestinian state will lead to the destruction of Israel. JNW Site Search


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To: AmishDude; thoughtomator
I'm sorry, I see a lot of posters asserting this but the above article proves nothing but either shortsightedness or state department blather. Can you please cite for me Rice's Jew-hatred?

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I'm curious to hear about this as well.

21 posted on 11/15/2005 6:41:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: AmishDude

Once incident is shortsighted. Two constitutes a "pattern or practice"


22 posted on 11/15/2005 7:12:24 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: Esther Ruth

All this is nothing but the continuation of the policies of Daddy Bush, James Baker, King Ahab Klinton, Warren Christopher, and Madeline Halfbright! If there are any differences between the policies toward Israel and the Jihadstinians by these various players, they seem well hidden.

Condi's statment shows that she needs to change her meds.


23 posted on 11/15/2005 7:22:16 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: thoughtomator
Rice has come out of the closet and shown all the world that she too hates Jews. It's sad, I expected so much more than that out of her.

That statement is so risible as to be beneath contempt. Please put the bong down and back slowly away from the keyboard.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

24 posted on 11/15/2005 7:25:33 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9
The prima facie case makes itself. Show me one other country where a similar policy is pursued. For example, why aren't we putting similar pressure on Sri Lanka to accommodate its Tamils?
25 posted on 11/15/2005 7:31:17 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: thoughtomator
Once incident is shortsighted. Two constitutes a "pattern or practice"

Incident of what?

26 posted on 11/15/2005 7:35:42 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: thoughtomator
No. It has been the policy of the U.S. Government since the 1967 war to restore the borders to something like they once were prior to June, 1967. Israel simply won't quit "all" occupied territories, just "some" of them. Calling Rice an anti-Semite simply because she is pursuing long-standing American foreign policy is contemptible.

There is simply no reason to draw the conclusion that Condi hates Jews because Condi is pursuing American foreign policy objectives which will, in the end, separate Israelis from murderous Palestinians.

They don't get along because the Pallies have an infantile, murderous political culture, like most Arabs.

This is a policy of separation, period. Rice is pursuing the best hand that is available.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

27 posted on 11/15/2005 7:38:57 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: AmishDude

Incidents of telling the Israelis not to defend themselves against terrorists - in direct conflict with the established US policy, by the way (Road Map).


28 posted on 11/15/2005 7:39:40 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: section9

The policy of this administration is the Road Map, under which Israel has no obligations before the Palestinians stop terrorism.


29 posted on 11/15/2005 7:41:03 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: frankiep
I really can't believe that some folks here want to see Condi as our next president. This isn't the first time she has made ridiculous statements like this.

This is official USG foreign policy. The WH is responsible for its formulation and Condi implements it.

30 posted on 11/15/2005 7:42:45 AM PST by kabar
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To: thoughtomator
Incidents of telling the Israelis not to defend themselves against terrorists

Either cite for me a quote where she says "Don't defend yourself against terrorists." or leave your editorial distortions out of it. Let's try it again, what are her sins?

31 posted on 11/15/2005 7:42:48 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: AmishDude

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521856/posts

Read 'em and weep.


32 posted on 11/15/2005 7:45:30 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: thoughtomator

Doesn't match your hyperbole, not even close.


33 posted on 11/15/2005 7:49:43 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: AmishDude

Ah, so now that my basic point has been established as truth, it's my choice of words that offends you. Too bad, the truth hurts.

You'd have no problem seeing this as the anti-semitic initiative it is if it were ISM or Amnesty International making that demand.


34 posted on 11/15/2005 7:51:26 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: Esther Ruth
The creation of a Palestinian state will lead to the destruction of Israel.

It actually doesn't even matter because Blair will pull out of Iraq if we don't support him in his desire to see a Palestine created. So, the decision is already made and made by someone other than us. Our Israel policy is written up on Downing Street.

35 posted on 11/15/2005 7:54:53 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: thoughtomator
>Show me one other country where a similar policy is pursued

The White House always
urges Russia to talk with
Chechens. They're nuts, too.

Can't say the White House
hates Russians. Politics just
makes for posturing.

36 posted on 11/15/2005 7:56:41 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: thoughtomator
It is contemptible and disgusting that you put Rice in the camp of Nazis for asserting a foolish position on behalf of the President, the State Department and the entire Administration. You cheapen the term "anti-Semitism" to the point where it doesn't mean anything anymore. You're worse than a Foxman, worse than Jesse Jackson, worse than anyone you defame when you choose to use that label so recklessly.

You dishonor the lives of millions who died under real anti-Semitism, just so you can have a position that's free from criticism. Sickening.

37 posted on 11/15/2005 7:57:09 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: AmishDude

Rice presses for Israel to allow free passage of "cargo" (otherwise known as weapons for terrorists)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515359/posts

Rice presses for Israel to reopen roads to Palis immediately after a terror attack

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1505431/posts

Great summary of Rice's Arabism (from Powerline and others)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486196/posts



The pattern is well-established by now, so I have no reservations about calling a spade a spade. This administration doesn't get the (lame, insufficient) excuse that it's merely following a decades-old US policy, because none of the previous policymakers lived in a post-9/11 world - her predecessors at least had the excuse of ignorance. Rice is actively advocating for the interests of (the world's most virulent and barbaric) terrorists in a post 9/11 world. But oddly enough it is *only* in Israel where this demand is made. No similar demand for Iraq to allow people to cross from Syria and Iran; no similar demand on Sri Lanka, the Philippines, France, or Russia or any other nation.

On its face Rice is pursuing a very antisemitic policy, and given the appearance and the history the burden is on those who say it is not to give a substantial reason why it is not.


38 posted on 11/15/2005 8:01:47 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: AmishDude

Ho! Did I say "Nazis"? Not every anti-semite is a Nazi. You're reading things into my posts which I have not said or implied. (Not that the Palis wouldn't gleefully conduct a Final Solution if they had the opportunity.)


39 posted on 11/15/2005 8:04:35 AM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

The creation of a Palestinian state will lead to the destruction of Israel.

It actually doesn't even matter because Blair will pull out of Iraq if we don't support him in his desire to see a Palestine created. So, the decision is already made and made by someone other than us. Our Israel policy is written up on Downing Street.
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Oh yea, you hear that all the time on FR, what date/year did these agreements originate? When did Blair originally ask us to do his bidding in Israel?


40 posted on 11/15/2005 8:05:00 AM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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