Posted on 11/14/2005 11:13:59 AM PST by Stultis
WALLACE: ...in October of 2002 in which you authorized the use of force, you went further than the president ever did. Let's watch:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROCKEFELLER: I do believe that Iraq poses an imminent threat, but I also believe that after September 11th that question is increasingly outdated.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Now, the president never said that Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat. As you saw, you did say that. If anyone hyped the intelligence, isn't it Jay Rockefeller?
ROCKEFELLER: No. I mean, this question is asked a thousand times and I'll be happy to answer it a thousand times. I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.
Now, the intelligence that they had and the intelligence that we had were probably different. We didn't get the presidential daily briefs. We got only a finished product, a finished product, a consensual view of the intelligence community, which does not allow for agencies like in the case of the aluminum tubes, the Department of Energy said these aren't thick enough to handle nuclear power.
They left that out and went ahead with, "They have aluminum tubes and they're going to develop nuclear power."
WALLACE: Senator, you're quite right. You didn't get the presidential daily brief or the senior executive intelligence brief. You got the national intelligence estimate.
But the Silberman commission, a presidential commission that looked into this, did get copies of those briefs, and they say that they were, if anything, even more alarmist, even less nuanced, than the intelligence you saw...
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Because they're Democrats. They make the same mistake over and over and over.
In general, it is possible for a Senator to commit treason - in fact, it is possible for a President to commit treason.
If a Senator commits treason, he can be tried in the ordinary way. Their priviledge is not absolute.
Clause 1: The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
The priviledge against arrest is to prevet the executive from asserting control over congress by physical force. The priviledge of speech on the floor of COngress is to not chill any political rhetoric whatsoever. To the extent Congress can't be trusted with secrets, the executive can keep the secrets.
I called the demonrat cloakroom and asked if that was the phone Rockefeller used to call his friends in Syria to give them our war secrets.
Count me in, I'm still stunned.
Traitors R' Us
Jay Rockefeller & John Kerry, Proprietors
Great reply regarding the exact wording of the priviledges of Senators. In the case of Jay Rockefeller, he should be tried as a traitor, found guilty and then hung on the national mall. He is our current Benedict Arnold; but, like Sandy Burgler, he will probably not even be indicted, but instead get off free despite his disclosing his personal thoughts to the heads of state of Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt which puts our troops in danger. He is certainly no patriot. Isn't he the one on the senate intel committee that had authored a report to politicize intelligence to make the administration look bad - and some Republican staffer found that memo on their web site and pulled it off - and nothing was done about that either if I have not gotten confused in my old age about who did what. The Democratic Party antagonists seem more to want to embarass our President, administration and troops instead of holding together in a time of international crisis. Guess we are going to need another swift kick in the ass to get people together, to become a united nation again "Under God." Or we could send the good senator to france and see if he can work out their problems with his traitorous strategy. . . . . like Ted Kennedy, he does not know when to sit down and shut the hell up.
Unreal.
Thanks for that info Cboldt.
NOW. I'm still looking for an answer to the question: WHO files the charges? (which was my original question, altho I must have failed miserably in phrasing it, since noone has answered)
My 'guess' is that the House has to vote before sending it to the Senate for the trial. Similar to impreachment.
This gives me a squeeze stomach...who are these pods?
After all his brothers did start the UN, CFR, G7, Jekyll Island etc!
Treason of a Senator would be prosecuted by the executive apparatus, indicted by the competent DA or equivalent, and tried in an Article III court. When the charge is treason, the Senator can be arrested, incarcerated, tried, convicted and sentenced.
It's most likely that the Senate would expel a member who was convicted of treason.
Treason of a Senator would be prosecuted by the executive apparatus, indicted by the competent DA or equivalent, and tried in an Article III court. When the charge is treason, the Senator can be arrested, incarcerated, tried, convicted and sentenced.
It's most likely that the Senate would expel a member who was convicted of treason.
My 'guess' is that the House has to vote before sending it to the Senate for the trial. Similar to impreachment.
Nope. Has noting whatsoever to do with the House. The Hosue/Senate interplay comes in for impeachment of executive (President or Officers) and judicial appointments. Impeachment is the legislatures power (the voice of the people) against an over-reaching, incompetent, or otherwise unqualified executive or judge.
You mean like this one?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1036187/posts
Thank you so very much.
I'm not sure I still totally 'get it'. But as long as I know it doesn't work like Impeachment I feel like I've learned something.
How would YOU get handled, if YOU were guilty of treason? Whatever that is, a Senator would get the same treatment. Indicted, arrested and put on trial.
There isn't much to "get." ;-)
Not knowing who could file the charges, can't any of us hire a lawyer and file charges - of course, if we could afford it? What would prevent me, a private citizen, to hire a lawyer and file charges against Jay Rockefeller? Does anyone know of any restrictions on that?
You MAY have overestimated me!
I was trying to make it some complicated procedure. Who'd have ever thought it could be so simple as hiring a lawyer and suing the bejesus out of him?
American. Whatta Country!
Stupidity, stupidity, stupidity.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
LOL. Well, one small, teensy-tiny problem. The average street lawer isn't able to file criminal charges. "You" suing "him" is limited to civil charges, which is always measured in money damages. If you want somebody locked up, you start with the police, or the IRS, or ... well, you get the idea, somebody in law enforcement brings the criminal charges.
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