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Five questions non-Muslims would like answered
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-prager13nov13,0,6830027,print.story?coll=la-home-sunday-opinion ^ | Nov 13, 2005 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/13/2005 5:16:20 AM PST by mal

THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.

Here are five of them:

(1) Why are you so quiet?

Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

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To: mal
Wow, brave article from the LA Times
81 posted on 11/14/2005 12:50:16 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: tkathy
Funny you say that. White Germans DID commit these crimes - 50 years ago. Germans excused murder and aggression in the name of Liebestraum (which is another way of saying "We want a piece of your country for ourselves"). The Moslem world is now the inheritor of that legacy. Israel is only the first stop. Until they get the world I wouldn't hope for any rational heads to prevail in Islamia.
82 posted on 11/14/2005 12:55:14 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: mal

He who controls the language controls the argument. We need to use the phrase "the Cult of Wahabi" whenever and where ever possible. We stand little chance of wholescale conversion from Islam, but we can help plant the seeds of an Islamic reformation.


83 posted on 11/14/2005 12:57:06 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Scarchin

I concur.


84 posted on 11/14/2005 12:57:55 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Exactly. Most moderate Moslems say something like "We don't condone terrorism BUT ...."
85 posted on 11/14/2005 1:00:11 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: backhoe

Your rare comment is much appreciated. Oslo did nothing but confirm to them that the west and the western mind is weak.

Like true bullies - force is all they understand.


86 posted on 11/14/2005 1:04:21 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They hate the West. Why are they here?

I believe there are two reasons:

  1. Their repressive culture has crushed liberty, progress and prosperity. ...for fellow Muslims. Now, they must invade other cultures to obtain these.
  2. To spread Islam. At least that's the excuse many give for the word "jihad". It's supposedly changed in meaning from a literal "holy war" to something like a missionary effort for Allah. I haven't had any Muslims knocking on my door handing out pamphlets though. Anyone else?

87 posted on 11/14/2005 1:05:28 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Beth528

"""Likewise, not all those who read the Quran become terrorists."""



I disagree with you...Show me an honest muzlim that doesn't hate all Jews...Of course there will be the rare exception to the rule, all muzlims hate Jews...They have to...

Even the so-called moderate muzlims in the U.S. hate the Jews and want every single one of them dead...


88 posted on 11/14/2005 1:09:01 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: timsbella
Your rare comment is much appreciated. Oslo did nothing but confirm to them that the west and the western mind is weak. Like true bullies - force is all they understand.

Thank you.

89 posted on 11/14/2005 1:16:42 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: Beth528

Here's a little piece I have posted on my personal page...This fella knows how I feel...



A PILOT EDITORIAL-- "YOU WORRY ME."

I've been trying to say this since 9-11.
I guess I will be labeled as a bigoted American.

By: American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco



"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the
streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still
blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But
you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you
because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to
be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our
friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their
grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of
their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my
country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally
stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them
into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise
grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless
public servants, and children's mothers.

So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to
be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the
soul
of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying
to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must
know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab-Muslim-Americans and
the
Arab-Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our
parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR
constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter those
very
same good neighbors and children?
The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my
responsibility
to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of it's
religions, with ALL of it's different citizens, with all of it's faults.
It
is time for every Arab-Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know
whether
or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to it's flag? Do you
proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in
your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation? That He will
protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"?
Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom
that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who
gave
their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by
paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? If this is your
commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at
this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are
taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the
innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And no more
benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry
about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more
sympathy...I am only interested in action. What will you do for America -
our great country -- at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets.
I
want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America." I want to see young
Arab-Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of
money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this
nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding
the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim
communities.

You know them. You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now!

But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead
I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter.
You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security
guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed
for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the
media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with
making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking
action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims
from
violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they
did
with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein,
Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance
and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the
Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good
is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your
"leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and
intolerance.

It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the
world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere
to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated
to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a
foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are
recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members defended
Johnny Cochran and O. J. Simpson after the latter butchered his wife and
murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members (some as young as five
years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year,
marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our
presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A
form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms
against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A
form whose rules are so twisted, that their
traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security
checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly
show
their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore?

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with
dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us
because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in
the entire middle-east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then
why in the world are you even here?

Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace
and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to leave. I
want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like
rats
and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family
back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE!

We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality,
your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the
attacks
of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is
so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the
world.

I want to know where every Arab-Muslim in this country stands and I
think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to
demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and
sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you
and
your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my
brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no
gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to
show ME, where YOU stand."

"Until then ... you worry me." ""


90 posted on 11/14/2005 1:21:16 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Iscool

"Show me an honest muzlim that doesn't hate all Jews"

Actually I have to step up to the plate and say I know a few. I work with them and they are really good people - some are professionals, some are office workers. Some come to my kids' birthday parties and are glad they can eat the pizza because we don't order the pork toppings either.

Without exception, they are all fully assimilated. For some of them, I may be the only Jew they know, but this is also true of many of my Christian co-workers as well. Proximity goes far towards debunking myths. France and much of Europe is off the rails because assimilation wasn't a demand imposed on their Muslim immigrants.

Fear is the dominant factor in why they don't step up to the plate. Not apologizing or excusing this behaviour - they're already answering for their silence in Jordan. The internal cleansing has begun. Once the shock wears off, maybe we won't just be listening to crickets.


91 posted on 11/14/2005 1:26:45 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Iscool

I saw your comment and say this about it..Of all the people in this world I hate(I don't use the word hate very much) and mistrust it would be the Muslims..
I can't say they all believe that way just like I can't say all blacks hate whites and jews..I do however believe the majority hate us and I believe the Koran is an evil book..

Now to your latest post..That is the best I have read in a long time and I hope you do not mind me passing it on to others..


92 posted on 11/14/2005 1:52:25 PM PST by Beth528
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To: Iscool
Good...

Very Good!

BTTT!

93 posted on 11/14/2005 3:01:12 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider; Baynative

Ping!


94 posted on 11/14/2005 3:02:45 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: IronJack
Assuming you don't respond to the name: Dear Abby, you've missed your true calling.
95 posted on 11/14/2005 3:06:05 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Beth528

By all means, help yourself...And as I said, I agree completely with the author of the piece...


97 posted on 11/14/2005 3:23:14 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Beth528
I’m curious why our thread doesn’t get pulled? Someone recently posted a thread criticizing Bush for his PC “Islam is peace” attitude. The poster was accused of Islamaphobia and his post was pulled. I may not go as far as saying I hate Moslems but I will say I consider the religion itself as being satanic. I am also appalled at any Christian who believes our beliefs have anything in common with the war religion. I don’t consider these statements as racist or bigoted anymore than if I said I hate socialism, monarchism or homosexuality.

Anyways I have participated in many threads that have a dim view of Islam, so I was just surprised that some are cherry picked for removal.
98 posted on 11/14/2005 4:06:16 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: SJackson

yep...it was Habash..I realized that after I wrote it. His priniciple partner was Wadi(?) Haddad.

and actually he was Greek Orthodox born in Palestine....odd eh?

that Hannah "what's her name" and a host of other PLO bigshots are Maronite aren't they?


99 posted on 11/14/2005 6:47:58 PM PST by wardaddy (Captain Spaulding (the perfect dinner guest))
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To: wardaddy
that Hannah "what's her name" and a host of other PLO bigshots are Maronite aren't they?

Hannah is a dear friends daughter. A lovely girl, but not Maronite.

The only female palestinian (any faith from memory, but i haven't searched for terrorists) I can think of is Peter Jennings girlfriend, Hanan Ashrawi. I can't think of any reason either of us should have remembered her. Peter's taste, well that's his own.


100 posted on 11/14/2005 7:02:15 PM PST by SJackson (plain old American who doesn't accept all these white vs non-white, jew vs christian ideologies,2002)
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