HILL DUCKS LIBBY ISSUE (shazam---pardon issues reopen Clintons' wounds)

NY POST ^ | November 12, 2005 | IAN BISHOP

[Liz]

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is staying silent as top Democratic senators demand President Bush rule out a pardon for indicted top White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby — which could evoke memories of her and her husband's own Pardongate scandal.

Party leaders — have written a letter to Bush urging that he promise not to pardon Libby, who has been charged with obstruction of justice and perjury in the CIA-leak case........Clinton ducked taking a position on the letter.

Rekindled comparisons to Pardongate would open old wounds for the first lady, who is readying for re-election and eyeing a run for the White House in 2008.

Bill Clinton created an uproar when he issued 11th-hour pardons to 140 people before he left office.

Sen. Clinton herself came under fire when feds investigated whether she offered clemency to four men from the Hasidic village of New Square in exchange for the community's votes in her 2000 Senate run. She has denied playing a role in the men's pardons.

[Fudd Fan]

Amen!

[Sam's Army]

Har har. Nice try, then. It still does not take away from the fact that Rich is a slimeball and Libby was in his pocket for years starting in 1985.

So maybe it was loitering charges...

[Gondring]

Information like this makes me question Bush's common sense.

Agreed. As was said to me, "even if Libby is a mole, what does that say about Cheney's judgment, to keep him on?" :-(

[Kenny Bunk]

In my book, Libby is only guilty of one thing: the incredible stupidity of walking into an obvious perjury trap. It made the team look very, very bad.

As far as the Scooter being a Democrat, his previous associations would certainly give some credence to that hypothesis.

As far as Poppy and Bubba go, I will never forgive George Bush I for taking a dive in the '92 election. (Truly one of the great mysteries of the century!) He had enough ammunition on Bill's corruption in Arkansas to not only sink him, but to put him in jail! Instead, he traveled to LA and put police officers in jail; police officers who had already been acquitted by a jury of their peers in the Rodney King case. Outrageous stupidity. And now, walking arm and arm with Clinton? Obscene.

[cake_crumb]

"Har har. Nice try, then. It still does not take away from the fact that Rich is a slimeball and Libby was in his pocket for years starting in 1985."

There you go again. Now you're assuming Libby is in Rich's pocket, implying a closer relationship than attornry-client. While it's possible you might turn out to be right, you have no clue whether you are or aren't without facts. Therefore, you're still blowing smoke.

[Liz]

No more calls, please. We have a winner.

[sgtbono2002]

I didnt even know Libby was a Jew. What I do know is any democrat who signed a letter asking Mr, Bush not to pardon him do not belong in Congress as they have abandoned the Constitution completely.

The man hasnt been tried yet. He damned sure hasnt been convicted , and if he gets the same sentence Sandy Burglar gets he wont need a pardon.

Who the hell do these people think they are demanding the President not pardon a man who hasnt even been convicted. Are they crazy? How Gotdamned far do we have to let these assholes go before we jerk them back? Harry Reid needs to retire he is way too stupid to be Minority leader.

[JOE6PAK]

DITTO sgt.

Reid is an absolute moron.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Information like this makes me question Bush's common sense."

[regarding post 1 by liz...]


Yeah, me too. Good grief. A man caught up in Pardon Gate was still in the Bush administration? What a blinking mess!

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Bush allowed the special prosecutor because he promised the American people, publically, that his administration would find the leak and the Democrats were turning the whole micro-mess into one of their cardboard campaign platforms.

Sure, Bush did that. But it is not to his credit as a leader but to his "credit" as an apple-polisher that he did so. He allowed the Democrats to define virtue. It is of a piece with his signing McCain-Feingold when he knew perfectly well that he won the Republican nomination from McCain over that issue and others like it.

Look, I hate sounding like a whiner who complains about "how the strong man stumbled" rather than acknowledging that "the credit belongs to him who is actually in the arena." But it's inescapable that Bush sometimes does things he knows better than to do.

[demkicker]

Someone please tell me what is stopping him from firing all high-level Democrats in his administration?

Who else is a high-level dem in his administration?

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

"Clinton ducked taking a position on the letter."


Like one duck said to the other, "stop walking like that woman wearing those crusty black slacks!"

[demkicker]

....and considering that fact that I am a professional writer and editor, (in other words I actually make a living at it) and I know quite a bit about the publishing world, it would be a natural. Seeing as how you fancy yourself a writer, you might learn a few things.

Sorry, needs editing:

...and considering that fact that I am a professional writer and editor who isn't the least bit humble, (in other words I actually make a living at it) and I know quite a bit about the publishing world, it would be a natural. Seeing as how you fancy yourself a writer, you might learn a few things from a blowhard like me.

[Sam's Army]

"...you have no clue whether you are or aren't without facts. Therefore, you're still blowing smoke."

Smoke this:

"Most recently, Marc Rich was linked to former United States Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Libby served as Rich's lawyer as far back as 1985 and charged him US$2 million for legal fees."

"Following his presidential pardon, he immediately began lucrative business dealings with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, in connection with the UN oil-for-food scandals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

[wildbill]

Wikipedia is nothing more nor less than a place where anyone can put an essay on any subject. You think that's a great source?

Leaving the credibility of the sourcing aside, how does Libby's employment as an attorney by Marc Rich to represent him against the charges by the government make him less of a Republican? Or, by implication,a criminal?

That overpaints the employment of any lawyer with a rather broad smearing brush, don't you think?

Tom Delay is being defended by a Democrat lawyer. Does that make him a Republican? Or, in the remote possibility Delay is convicted, a money launderer? I think not.

[Sam's Army]

"Wikipedia is nothing more nor less than a place where anyone can put an essay on any subject. You think that's a great source?"

Is anything cited by Wikepedia a lie? Which part? But on 2nd thought; yeah, maybe we should consult CBS instead.

"...does Libby's employment as an attorney by Marc Rich to represent him against the charges by the government make him less of a Republican?"

Maybe not. Libby, Arlen Spector, and Lincoln Chaffee are all Republicans as far as I know. Party affiliation does not always equal conservative from what I can tell.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

WorldNetDaily:

Hillary, Libby connected via Marc Rich

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47186

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Who the hell do these people think they are demanding the President not pardon a man who hasnt even been convicted. Are they crazy?"

It's a roundabout way of bashing Bush. It's like one politician telling another, "After this debate, I hope you don't take out your frustration by beating your wife. I know you'll be tempted to, but it's plain wrong."

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

What the rats ought to be asking is why Bush allowed Libby of pardongate fame to remain in his administration. Something is seriously wrong here. Bush pandering to the Clintons to begin with seemed off. Now this.

[Liz]

".....maybe we should consult CBS instead"

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LOL-----my eyes are tearing from laughter and my stomach is starting to hurt.....but don't stop on my account.