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Charen: The French Way Implodes
Townhall.com ^ | 11-11-05 | Mona Charen

Posted on 11/11/2005 7:55:04 AM PST by cgk

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To: cgk

Two other articles posted on FR in the last few weeks---one about the rate millionaires are leaving France(one a day)because of high taxes. The other about how many research scientists are leaving . So, now I'm wondering--who is going to finance all these new social programs? I think we are going to see exactly what happens when Atlas Shrugs.


21 posted on 11/11/2005 8:50:57 AM PST by hexpoppy
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To: wayoverontheright
I like to point out the idiocy of European quasi-socialism any chance I get, and it certainly is A problem, but these people cannot be assimilated into either the economy or the social system, because they refuse to assimilate. That's not why they are there.

They are there to establish a foothold for Islam.

I have read the Koran and interpret it the same way Zarqawi and bin Laden do. Others see it differently. Sometimes I wonder if they have actually read the Koran in its entirety.

The problem with using the word Muslim is it also includes people who call themselves Muslims that are in fact IMHO heretics, and collaborate with the enemies of Islam.

Muslims should not go into a country to become part of the decadent infidel culture. They should go into a country to overthrow it by any means available. If you don't want to get infidel blood on your hands; just out breeding the Infidel will suffice. But don't criticize the Muslim who is putting his life on the line for ALLAH.

They can talk all they want about moderate Muslims, IMHO unless these moderate Muslims are using Taqiyya on us, they are heretics and will face the same fate as the infidel. The wedding bombing in Jordan is an example. The Iraqi police recruits being slaughtered is another.

Muslims who interpret the Koran the way I do, are not in your country to be contaminated by your infidel culture. They are there to destroy it. - Tom

22 posted on 11/11/2005 9:00:19 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: cgk; Capt. Tom; Dane

I'd be curious to see a poll of freepers...

The primary cause of the rioting in France:
(a) the economic failing of socialism
(b) organized islamic terrorism
(c) racism and segregation


23 posted on 11/11/2005 9:22:13 AM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: wayoverontheright

I beg to differ -- I think its more of wanting to be there to mooch off of France's more stable economy than anything else. Then again, I be being too optomistic again.

And the French hate everyone, the North Africans and Arabs really shouldn't be THAT offended.


24 posted on 11/11/2005 9:27:37 AM PST by Tenny
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To: kpp_kpp
"I'd be curious to see a poll of freepers... The primary cause of the rioting in France:"

Item (b)
25 posted on 11/11/2005 9:35:31 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: cgk
With 300 French cities in flames, French pretensions lie singed and shriveled.

I agree with Charen here, and have two questions.

(1) Didn't the Rodney King riot damage vastly exceed the French riot damage?

(2) If yes, does this mean L.A. has more socialism than France?

26 posted on 11/11/2005 10:02:32 AM PST by secretagent
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To: cgk
A quiet night in France...

I'd hate to be there on a bad night.

(All above images sourced to last night or today)

27 posted on 11/11/2005 10:25:31 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: syriacus
Do French Muslims wish they had a bright future like the Iraqi Muslims do?

I don't think it is a coincidence that the riots began within 2 days of the official approval of the Iraqi constitution.

A simply brilliant observation.

Who has the more hopeful future: the alienated Muslim "youths" of the banlieues Parisienne or the young Iraqis in a Baghdad slum?

At bottom, there is little question, is there?

In the long run, even as the Eurotwits direct their animus toward our President, he is doing more to solve their problem in the long-term than they.

28 posted on 11/11/2005 10:28:26 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: cgk
Jacques Chirac was more direct, condemning "ultra liberal Anglo-Saxon" economic policies, while also famously boasting that France would anchor a European pole in a "multipolar" world, with American influence vastly reduced. With 300 French cities in flames, French pretensions lie singed and shriveled
I hate to say it, but these Islamic idiots did us a big favor, weakening France and making America look good. But that's why we call them "Islamic idiots", and not "careful Islamic strategists".
29 posted on 11/11/2005 10:45:28 AM PST by samtheman
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To: cgk
And French socialists have set the table for the current crisis. Yes, the rioters are all Muslim youths from North Africa and the Middle East. And the racism of French society may fuel the flames to some extent, but the most important factors in this story are economic. The French have accepted wave after wave of immigrants with no prospect of employing them. In the U.S., the unemployment rate among natives and immigrants is the same. Not so in France.
Can you imagine trying to explain this idea to the average MSM idiot?
30 posted on 11/11/2005 10:47:57 AM PST by samtheman
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To: cgk
The cars aflame in French cities now underscore the dangers of economic stagnation. The French have imported a small army of socially, culturally and economically estranged young men. These Muslim men would have been difficult to assimilate under the best of circumstances. But in a sclerotic, socialist state, where the prospect of jobs and economic advancement is so remote, the task becomes titanic.
This is the last word on this subject.
31 posted on 11/11/2005 10:51:19 AM PST by samtheman
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To: okie01
In the long run, even as the Eurotwits direct their animus toward our President, he is doing more to solve their problem in the long-term than they.

Yes. I think that our President may have chosen the most just, most fair, and best route. It's unfortunate that the Democrats have turned out to be such big human booby-traps along the route. Thank heavens Bush is not ruled by polls the way that Clinton was.

32 posted on 11/11/2005 11:44:50 AM PST by syriacus (Libs + French think US freeing France is AOK, but US freeing Iraq is BAD. Are they racist?)
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It's unfortunate that the Democrats have turned out to be such big human booby-traps along the route.

Democrats: political IEDs.

Shame they aren't suicidal...

33 posted on 11/11/2005 11:48:27 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Democrats: political IEDs. Shame they aren't suicidal.

They keep being saved by others. But, they aren't grateful.

34 posted on 11/11/2005 11:54:07 AM PST by syriacus (Libs + French think US freeing France is AOK, but US freeing Iraq is BAD. Are they racist?)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

i agree that i see that on FR.

however the media is throwing it as (a) with a little (c) thrown in --- if conservatives were any good at PR they could pounce on that and run with it as is.

it is just as beneficial (or maybe more so, seeing the media is portraying it) to the cause of conservatism to show france's problems as a complete and utter failure of liberal (in the American sense) thinking.


35 posted on 11/11/2005 12:04:34 PM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: cgk

BTTT


36 posted on 11/11/2005 12:22:29 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: cgk
Since the 1970s, Europe has created only 4 million new jobs. The U.S. has created 57 million in the same period.

Worth remembering.

37 posted on 11/11/2005 12:56:41 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter..." Al Gore, 9/23/02)
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To: secretagent

Fair question.

Anyone have any numbers?

Given the number of buildings burned in France and several thousand cars torched, I would be skeptical on this matter.

Body count is lower, I think. I'd need to do some digging, but I am lazy....


38 posted on 11/11/2005 2:10:22 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo

A quick scan at Google yields 5500 buildings burned in the LA riots vs "dozens" of buildings burned in the current French riots.


39 posted on 11/11/2005 2:39:56 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Capt. Tom

Leaving aside for a moment the Muslim component of the French crisis, this article is a nice commentary on French socialism.


40 posted on 11/11/2005 2:56:35 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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