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Stripes, Stars and Dollar Signs[Captured RevWar battle flags auctioned by Brits!]
NY Times ^ | November 11, 2005 | GLENN COLLINS

Posted on 11/11/2005 3:27:44 AM PST by Pharmboy


Nicole Bengiveno/The New York Times

At Sotheby's on Tuesday, Terry McAllister, left, and James Parker moved the Connecticut regimental battle flag.


Sotheby's

One of the Virginia infantry flags believed to have been captured by a British
commander, Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton, in a bloody battle in the Carolinas
in May 1780.

The war veterans who once revered them and followed them - and then lost them - are all long gone. But now, their battle standards, taken by the enemy, have at last returned to American soil after two and a quarter centuries.

The flags are believed to date from the Revolutionary War and to have been seized by a notorious British cavalry officer, Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton.

On Oct. 28, the four flags arrived in New York from the south of England, where they had been privately hung as wall trophies by Tarleton's descendants.

Their sudden re-emergence, like the awakening of a martial Rip Van Winkle, has caused a stir in military and historical circles, to the intense satisfaction of Sotheby's, the auction house. It hopes to sell the flags next year for a total of $4 million to $10 million.

Such an improbably grand price for four faded pieces of fragile, hand-stitched and hand-painted silk derives from their origin as "sacred and vivid relics of the birth our nation," said David N. Redden, a vice chairman of Sotheby's in Manhattan.

"Flags of such rarity and history have never come up for sale," said Mr. Redden, who has an auction tentatively scheduled for next June 14 - Flag Day.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina; US: Virginia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: americanrevwar; battleflags; flag; flags; revolutionarywar; tarleton
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This is big for any folks who are RevWar buffs...

Also, I work with a woman from Texas whose maiden name is Tarlton (some in the family drop the "e") who is a removed cousin of Banastre while not a direct descendant.

1 posted on 11/11/2005 3:27:46 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor; blam; aculeus; Clemenza

History ping--RevWar ping...


2 posted on 11/11/2005 3:29:10 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Doctor Raoul; ELS

Ping...


3 posted on 11/11/2005 3:33:25 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy

Neat. I hope that the collector who buys them takes good care of them.


4 posted on 11/11/2005 3:37:03 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Pharmboy

for those of us that don't know our history are you telling me that there were northern states that fought for freedom from a huge over bearing government???? (/scm)


5 posted on 11/11/2005 3:51:27 AM PST by postaldave (i've given up on being mad in exchange for bitter sarcasm.)
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To: Pharmboy

Those flags belong to the people of Connecticut and Virginia. Not to Sothby's or anyone else. They should be considered stolen property that must be returned to their rightful owners.

I know the dollar is all powerful and Sothby's is drooling at their commission, but send them to their rightful owners.


6 posted on 11/11/2005 4:06:47 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: armydawg1
Those flags belong to the people of Connecticut and Virginia.

Those flags belong to Tarleton's descendants. They're legitimate spoils of war which were lost by people of Connecticut and Virginia.

That said, they're priceless historical artifacts that should be displayed in a museum. I'm sure the British Museum would be thrilled to display them...
7 posted on 11/11/2005 4:24:08 AM PST by MirrorField (Just an opinion from atheist, minarchist and small-l libertarian.)
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To: MirrorField
What you said was kinda' what the US said when the Philippines wanted the bells from a church returned.

The US (really the state) basically told them to pound sand. They started the fight with the bells and the troops took them as a war trophy.
8 posted on 11/11/2005 4:30:03 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: postaldave

HAAAAAAA! BWHAAAAAAAAA! Good One! :)


9 posted on 11/11/2005 4:36:15 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
It's interesting that RevWar nuts like myself rarely are interested in the War Between the States. Can't speak for my fellow RevWar people, but to think of 620,000 Americans dead in that war makes me sick.

In contrast, it has been estimated that between 6 and 10 thousand Patriots died on the battlefields of the RevWar, while about 10,000 more died in British prison ships in NYC harbor. It is also interesting to note that more African Americans died during the RevWar than those numbers combined. How? When thousands left to join the Brits who said they would offer them freedom, they died in camps the Brits had set up of typhus, smallpox, etc. An untold story of the Revolution.

10 posted on 11/11/2005 5:34:06 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: armydawg1
They should be considered stolen property that must be returned to their rightful owners.

Spoils of war, I believe.

11 posted on 11/11/2005 6:51:07 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Pharmboy

Perfidious Albion strikes again!


12 posted on 11/11/2005 8:54:07 AM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Pharmboy

Wow. That is really remarkable!


13 posted on 11/11/2005 11:00:53 AM PST by Constitution Day (When life hands you lemons... Just shut and eat your damn lemons.)
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To: armydawg1

Unit Colors have been a legitimate trophy of war for centuries. Go to the museum at West Point and you will see the Regimental Color of the British 7th Foot, captured by Americans in the Revolution. We're not giving it back.

The whole idea of course is to defend your colors and thereby prevent them being captured by the enemy.


14 posted on 11/11/2005 12:51:19 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Pharmboy; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...
notorious British cavalry officer, Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton.

He may have captured some unit colors but Col. Francis Marion of the South Carolina Militia got the better of him.


South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

15 posted on 11/11/2005 5:55:08 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Pharmboy; All

I can't remember which one it is, but the British regiment that captured, looted, and burned the White House still has Dolly Madison's silverware. When ever they hold a formal dinner, especially with Americans invited, they display it and use it. They keep it very well guarded at these events and seem to get a big kick out of showing it off.


16 posted on 11/11/2005 6:13:32 PM PST by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

One thing that is interesting about Tarleton is that he normally commanded American units. He was something else based on the below if it loads:

http://jrshelby.com/kimocowp/tarlton.htm


17 posted on 11/11/2005 6:29:57 PM PST by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen

Did you hear about this?


18 posted on 11/11/2005 6:30:50 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

19 posted on 11/11/2005 10:32:26 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: SC Swamp Fox; nutmeg; All
Here's Tarleton:


20 posted on 11/12/2005 3:36:51 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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