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Historian massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at revisionist confab
C-SPAN, Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, AP | 11.11.05 | Mia T

Posted on 11/11/2005 12:12:10 AM PST by Mia T

Douglas Brinkley massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at (clinton-was-an-utter-failure-containment-scheme-team) revisionist confab

C-SPAN historians find no clinton "greatness" irrespective of moral-authority deficit

 


by Mia T, 11.10.05



Speaking on the opening day of a three-day conference at Hofstra University examining his presidency, Clinton challenged a statement by noted historian Douglas Brinkley, who opined that Clinton would be deemed a great president were it not for his impeachment.

Bill Clinton, at Long Island conference, calls impeachment `egregious abuse' of Constitution
FRANK ELTMAN
Associated Press Writer





clinton's ranking will likely get worse over time. Economic issues fade in importance over time. Moral issues presist and grow. (paraphrase)

Douglas Brinkley
(discussing C-SPAN PRESIDENTS POLL)
Washington Journal



 




PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA
by Mia T, 9.26.05

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-SPAN
asked noted presidential historians to rank the American presidents1 along the following ten dimensions: public persuasion, crisis leadership, economic management, moral authority, international relations, administrative skills, relations with congress, vision/setting an agenda, pursued equal justice for all, and performance within context of times.

bill clinton emerged as middling in most dimensions; he was surpassed in others by a settled mediocrity (Carter) and a putative failure (Nixon). In moral authority, bill clinton was rated dead last.2 He did fairly well in public persuasion, not a surprising finding given the volume of snake oil he managed to peddle during his presidency.

"It's the economy, stupid!"

Clinton's best scores were on the economic management and pursued equal justice for all dimensions. However, both of these results are meaningful only insofar as they redound to the moral authority dimension: they are wholly based on clinton fraudulence, cooked books and black poses, respectively; and clinton's shameless Rosa Parks eulogy last week assured us that the insidious brand of clinton racism is alive and well.

Note that although Brinkley doesn't place much importance on the economic management dimension--he argues that the economy variable is not durable over time--he fails to recognize that the evaluation of the clinton economy by the historians is erroneous to begin with.

Note also that contrary to Douglas Brinkley's claim at the clinton revisionist confab3, C-SPAN historians found no clinton "greatness" irrespective of his moral-authority deficit.

MIDDLING

Twenty presidents rank higher than bill clinton and 20 rank lower. But this placement assumes equal weight for each of the dimensions. And therein lies the flaw.

If 9/11 taught us anything, it is that presidential character and moral authority count, and count most.4 If the variables are properly weighted, bill clinton will always come out dead last.

That is, unless Americans are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice.5

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"



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FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME! 

 

AFTERWORD

This legacy confab, is in and of itself, proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency. Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the accord and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off the global danger.

WASHINGTON -- Two Norwegian public-relations executives and one member of the Norwegian Parliament say they were contacted by the White House to help campaign for President Clinton to receive this year's Nobel Peace Prize for his work in trying to negotiate peace in the Middle East.

Clinton Lobbies for Nobel Prize: What a Punk
White House Lobbied For Clinton Nobel Peace Prize Updated
Friday, October 13, 2000
By Rita Cosby

 

 

 

There's been speculation in the last few months that Clinton was pursuing a Mideast peace accord in an effort to win the prize and secure his legacy as president.

AIDES PUSH CLINTON FOR THE NOBEL

 

 

 

At the time, clinton observed: "I made more progress in the Middle East than I did between Socks and Buddy." Retrospectively, it is clear that clinton's characterization was not correct.

Mia T, Buddy Death Report Raises More Questions Than It Answers

 





1.



American Presidents


A Site to Complement C-SPAN's 20th Anniversary Television Series, American Presidents: Life Portraits
March-December 1999

C-SPAN Survey
of Presidential Leadership

Bill Clinton
Historian Survey Results

Categories

Final Score 
 Category Ranking

Public Persuasion

70.3
11

Crisis Leadership

50.5
20

Economic Management

74.0
5

Moral Authority

19.5
41

International Relations

54.3
21

Administrative Skills

56.1
21

Relations with Congress

38.2
36

Vision / Setting an Agenda

48.1
22

Pursued Equal Justice For All

76.7
5

Performance Within Context of Times

51.2
21


TOTAL SCORE

539

OVERALL RANK

21

      Historian Results




2.



American Presidents


A Site to Complement C-SPAN's 20th Anniversary Television Series, American Presidents: Life Portraits
March-December 1999
C-SPAN Survey
of Presidential Leadership

Historian Survey Results Category:
Moral Authority
Historian Results

President's Name

Final Score 
 Category Ranking
 Overall Ranking

1. George Washington

98.1
1
3

2. Abraham Lincoln

95.6
2
1

3. Theodore Roosevelt

86.9
3
4

4. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

86.0
4
2

5. Dwight D. Eisenhower

82.1
5
9

6. Woodrow Wilson

82.0
6
6

7. Harry S. Truman

74.5
7
5

8. Thomas Jefferson

74.0
8
7

9. John Adams

72.2
9
16

10. Jimmy Carter

71.2
10
22

11. Ronald Reagan

70.0
11
11

12. John Quincy Adams

69.4
12
19

13. James Madison

67.6
13
18

14. Andrew Jackson

64.4
14
13

15. John F. Kennedy

64.1
15
8

16. William McKinley

63.8
16
15

17. James Monroe

62.3
17
14

18. Groover Cleveland

61.0
18
17

19. George Bush

59.8
19
20

20. James K. Polk

57.6
20
12

21. Gerald Ford

57.0
21
23

22. William Howard Taft

56.9
22
24

23. Calvin Coolidge

55.3
23
27

24. Herbert Hoover

55.0
24
34

25. James Garfield

52.3
25
29

26. Rutherford B. Hayes

51.5
26
26

27. Zachary Taylor

51.2
27
28

28. Lyndon Baines Johnson

49.8
28
10

29. Martin Van Buren

44.6
29
30

30. Benjamin Harrison

44.1
30
31

31. Ulysses S. Grant

43.6
31
33

32. Millard Fillmore

38.9
32
35

33. Chester Arthur

38.9
33
32

34. William Henry Harrison

38.2
34
37

35. John Tyler

37.7
35
36

36. Franklin Pierce

31.0
36
39

37. Andrew Johnson

27.5
37
40

38. James Buchanan

27.1
38
41

39. Warren G. Harding

22.6
39
38

40. Richard Nixon

20.4
40
25

41. Bill Clinton

19.5
41
21


 

3.

Bill Clinton, at Long Island conference, calls impeachment `egregious abuse' of Constitution

 

FRANK ELTMAN
Associated Press Writer



November 10, 2005, 7:29 PM EST








HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Former President Clinton said Thursday that his impeachment was "an egregious abuse of the Constitution" and asked if history judges him poorly because of his White House tryst with Monica Lewinsky, "How many other presidents do you have to downgrade?"

Speaking on the opening day of a three-day conference at Hofstra University examining his presidency, Clinton challenged a statement by noted historian Douglas Brinkley, who opined that Clinton would be deemed a great president were it not for his impeachment.

"I completely disagree with that," Clinton said. "You can agree with that statement, but only if you think impeachment was justified. Otherwise, it was an egregious abuse of the Constitution and law and history of our country."

Clinton, who was acquitted by the Senate of perjury and obstruction of justice at his 1999 impeachment trial, contended that the impeachment was not about what he called his "misconduct."

"Now if you want to hold it against me that I did something wrong, that's a fair deal," he said. "If you do that, then you have a whole lot of other questions, which is how many other presidents do you have to downgrade and what are you going to do with all those Republican congressmen, you know, that had problems?"

His remarks were cheered loudly by the audience.

In a speech that lasted more than an hour, Clinton touched on many of what he called the achievements of his eight-year presidency, citing everything from Middle East peace initiatives to turning around the U.S. economy.

Among his Democratic administration's failures, he said, were its slowness to act to stop genocide in Rwanda and the decision to allow FBI agents to raid a cult leader's compound in Waco, Texas. Nearly 80 cult followers died in a fire during the 1993 confrontation.

"We should have waited them out," Clinton said.

Former cabinet members, White House staffers and academicians converged at Hofstra for the conference, which will touch on issues including the economy, relations with Congress, the Middle East and Northern Ireland peace processes and confronting terrorism.

Those participating include former Attorney General Janet Reno, ex-Defense Secretary William Perry, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and advisers Paul Begala, David Gergen and Harold Ickes.

During an opening keynote speech, former chief of staff Leon Panetta quipped that he appreciated "the opportunity to, considering the problems that are confronting this White House, to take some comfort in the ability to say when we were in the White House those were the good old days."

The presidential conference is the 11th to be held at Hofstra; the first was held in 1982 and examined the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz said this year's conference was "one of the very first attempts to write the historical record of the Clinton presidency."

Brinkley, who is serving as a moderator at several events, said the transcripts and other records from the Hofstra sessions are considered important reference materials for students of history across the country.

Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state from 1997 to 2001, introduced him Thursday evening. In remarks earlier Thursday, she recalled some of the administration's foreign policy efforts during her term.

"I have always believed America is an exceptional country. But that is because we have led in creating standards that work for everyone, not because we are an exception to the rules," she said. "Countries should know that America is a nation whose leaders can be trusted and who will practice what they preach. By that high standard, I am proud of the Clinton administration's record."


4.

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?

by Mia T, 8.18.05


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DISCUSSION

"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him."

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer



5.

MAD hillary series #4
NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness
of bill + hillary clinton



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WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?



BIN LADEN FINGERS CLINTON FOR TERROR SUCCESS (SEE FOOTAGE)
THE THREAT OF TERRORISM IS AS CLOSE AS A CLINTON IS TO THE OVAL OFFICE


THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)


Why hillary clinton should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office... or any position of power
REASON 1: SHE HIRED JAMIE GORELICK


sandy berger haberdashery feint
(the specs, not the pants or the socks)


THE LEFT'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans


pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
WHY THE LEFT IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA


The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)


the clinton-clinton-Broaddrick kind of rape, according to Susan Estrich


ESTRICH IMPEACHED BY HER OWN WORDS,
EXPOSES STOCK HILLARY PLOY: EXPLOIT WOMEN
my amazon.com review


STRANGE BEDFELLOWS: ED KLEIN AND SUSAN ESTRICH AGREE ABOUT HILLARY


PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA


CROOKS PARDONING CROOKS PARDONING CROOKS:
Justice Undone in the clinton White House


NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness of bill + hillary clinton


HIROSHIMA'S NUCLEAR LESSON
bill clinton is no Harry Truman


CLINTON RAPES, REVISIONISM, USEFUL IDIOTS AND ENTROPY (an update)


JENNINGS DOES A DIMBLEBY: clinton legacy-RAGE redux


1st Feminist Prez Impeached
(clinton, pushed by the "smartest woman in the world," managed to impeach himself)


THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT?
clinton legacy of lynching update


TALL-TALE TWEAK:
In honor of Rosa Parks, 'burning church' becomes 'bus' for 'first black president'
(clip included)

For the children?
the clintons ARE pornography downloads


COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005

 



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To: Mia T
Memories do fade with time, it's true.

For instance, I can no longer remember whether "Sh$thead" is Clinton's first name or title.

15 posted on 11/11/2005 12:59:43 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Try as they might, it's still a pig's ear.


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Talking about memories, clinton's hasn't been the same since his surgery. You can see a distant, confused look in his eyes... and his rambling has become more pronounced.

And as for the missus, have you ever noticed that she requires notes for even the simplest of statements?


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