Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
Yeah, right. I missed the word kidnap anywhere in there. "Steal a man" is an awfully strange way of referring to kidnapping, and a completely natural way of referring to the stealing of slaves. I don't get why you are trying to twist it? You are completely comfortable with God having approved of slavery, right?
Principles, my friend. Principles. An ad-hoc, self-serving moral "code" is a contradiction in terms. Any moral system must be applied consistently every time in similar contexts. For example, if my code is to only deal with businesses that treat me fairly, openly praise the ones that go beyond that basic standard, and openly denounce the ones that fail to live up to it, then I must accept that others should be allowed to do the same WRT doing business with me.
Whatever rules I make up for myself that I think will give me an advantage in life, I must also allow other people to treat me in the same ways in their dealings with me.
That is only fair, and I contend that if you follow any self-interested principle consistently like that, you'll never end up acting in a manner that we would consider predatory or unfair.
It may be a "strange way " of referring to kidnapping, but that is what it refers to.
Deu 24:7 If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. (1Ti 1:8-11 KJV)
You are completely comfortable with God having approved of slavery, right?
By what standard do you judge God? Are you holier than God?
Rational righteousness. Interesting premise. Has it worked anywhere?
"Kidnapping" means Child stealing. It also refers to "man stealing".
Word History: Appropriately enough, kidnapper seems to have originated among those who perpetrate this crime. We know this because kid and napper, the two parts of the compound, were slang of the sort that criminals used. Kid, which still has an informal air, was considered low slang when kidnapper was formed, and napper is obsolete slang for a thief, coming from the verb nap, “to steal.” Nap is possibly a variant of nab, which also still has a slangy ring. In 1678, the year in which the word is first recorded, kidnappers plied their trade to secure laborers for plantations in colonies such as the ones in North America. The term later took on the broader sense that it has today. The verb kidnap is recorded later (1682) than the noun and so is possibly a back-formation, that is, people may have assumed that a kidnapper kidnaps.
In the Old Testament there is much that is unique to that covenant, but has no counterpart in the New Testament.
I have no interest in such a thing. And it's obvious enough without anyone having to start a thread on it.
You make a good point. Self-interest always prevails in man; it's his nature.
All men are either led by God for His purpose or they're not.
In other words, God fails the job description of "Mr. Nice Guy." If that offends you, well so sorry.
Just something I came across while in the chapel at Darwin Central. [Gasp!]
Hell, I'm taking cheap shots at a young man who is running the family business. (his daddy started the church) and I don't have to justify his operating expenses. I think they are sitting on his wife's finger.
Are you saying the Goen Rule doesn't work?
If you mean "Golden Rule" then I would say that the Golden Rule is an example of self sacrifice not self interest. For the Golden Rule to work to your interest, those to whom you would treat in such a way must be committed to treat you that way. Jesus expected us to treat others that way without any expectation that others would treat us that way.
Christ's disciples were tortured and killed despite their own adherence to the Golden Rule.
" I'm thinking that the sentiment is in regards to the liberal foundations started by these men."
No, he actually hates their business practices.
Then why did you bring up the accusation?
I dare say it is a false accusation. I was kind of hoping you were willing to put it to the test.
It's a side conversation.
However, one result of atheistic materialism is that there is no moral code to which anyone can appeal. Everyone can "do what is right in his own eyes."
I don't see where it says those words were placed on stone tablets.
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