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To: blue-duncan
You are still dealing in the area of self interest, not altruism or common good. The Carnegies, Rockefellers, Fords, Soros, Gates, Stalins, Pol Pots, China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia all use cooperation to suit their selfish ends but when necessary they, at heart, are ruthless self monopolists right out of the Ayn Rand school of the strong individualist survives because there is nothing greater than themselves or a transcendant being they must one day answer to.

Principles, my friend. Principles. An ad-hoc, self-serving moral "code" is a contradiction in terms. Any moral system must be applied consistently every time in similar contexts. For example, if my code is to only deal with businesses that treat me fairly, openly praise the ones that go beyond that basic standard, and openly denounce the ones that fail to live up to it, then I must accept that others should be allowed to do the same WRT doing business with me.

Whatever rules I make up for myself that I think will give me an advantage in life, I must also allow other people to treat me in the same ways in their dealings with me.

That is only fair, and I contend that if you follow any self-interested principle consistently like that, you'll never end up acting in a manner that we would consider predatory or unfair.

502 posted on 11/10/2005 11:31:38 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: jennyp; blue-duncan
That is only fair, and I contend that if you follow any self-interested principle consistently like that, you'll never end up acting in a manner that we would consider predatory or unfair.

Rational righteousness. Interesting premise. Has it worked anywhere?

504 posted on 11/10/2005 11:42:04 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: jennyp

"Whatever rules I make up for myself that I think will give me an advantage in life, I must also allow other people to treat me in the same ways in their dealings with me.

That is only fair,"

And what if you don't follow your rules or what if someone does not want to follow your rules because they conflict with his rules that give him an advantage? How do you determine what's fair? certainly everone does not start out at the same place or level.


682 posted on 11/11/2005 2:29:36 PM PST by blue-duncan
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