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'Intelligent Design' Wins In Kansas
CBS News ^ | 10 November 2005

Posted on 11/09/2005 4:31:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

(AP) Revisiting a topic that exposed Kansas to nationwide ridicule six years ago, the state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Critics of the proposed language charged that it was an attempt to inject creationism into public schools in violation of the separation between church and state.

The board's vote is likely to heap fresh national criticism on Kansas and cause many scientists to see the state as backward. Current state standards treat evolution as well-established — a view also held by national science groups

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: antiscience; creation; crevolist; god; idiocy; idtruth; idvictory; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation
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To: Raycpa

As I suspected, you have nothing to say.


181 posted on 11/10/2005 11:34:33 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Free as the breeze; All

To use your logic, I don't see then how natural selection could have explained the existence of said pandas as well...how could such a clumsy animal with such fragile offspring survived the savage evolutionary surgery of the Natural selective process?


182 posted on 11/10/2005 11:53:20 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: balrog666

I asked a simple question and so far every single evolutionist is doing whatever they can to avoid answering it.

What is the threat?


183 posted on 11/10/2005 12:12:55 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
That's Dover, Pa.

Darby, Pa. is, well, something unique in the annals of history.

Anyway, the Dover election just shows that many will put thinking aside just to avoid being called stupid.

184 posted on 11/10/2005 12:17:28 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Raycpa
Come on, Mr Troll, post your argument. Let's see those statistics?

Or do they only exist in Fantasyland?

185 posted on 11/10/2005 12:21:37 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Do you or don't you accept stats as valid science?


186 posted on 11/10/2005 12:27:52 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Statistics is NOT science. It is a tool.

SO, got any useful statistics handy? Got any idea what they purport to analyze or what they purport to demonstrate?

Or are you going to rhetorically dance around the question all year?

187 posted on 11/10/2005 12:37:48 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Do you object to applying stats to evolution?

You really are dancing very hard to avoid this question, aren't you?


188 posted on 11/10/2005 1:45:23 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa; All

Why Study Statistics ?

"The fundamental problem of scientific progress, and a fundamental one of everyday life, is that of learning from experience." - Harold Jeffreys, 1939.

Probability provides the conceptual foundation and mathematical language for the logic of uncertainty and induction. Statistics is concerned with procedures for the acquisition management, exploration and use of information, to learn from experience in situations of uncertainty, and to make decisions under risk. Statistical practice includes: design of experiments and of sampling surveys; exploration, summarization and display of observational data; drawing inferences, and assessing their uncertainty; building mathematical models for systems with stochastic components.

The statistician today is a partner in most scientific and technologic endeavors : to decide whether a new vaccine will be effective; to appraise the cost of life insurance for middle age smokers; to resolve and sharpen images obtained by ultrasonography; to gauge the uniformity of an optical fiber; to estimate the amount of timber in a forest; to create a computer model for a network of neurons; to forecast the weather and the price of copper; to measure unemployment and poverty; to evaluate discrimination in society; to improve quality in industrial manufacturing; to assess the reliability of a jet engine; to find the best variety of a tropical crop; to guide the exploration of ore deposits; and, of course, to predict batting performance in baseball.

If you are thinking about becoming a statistician, or wondering what it is a statistician even does, please check out our website Studying Statistics at the UW.

http://www.stat.washington.edu/www/undergraduate/


189 posted on 11/10/2005 1:53:50 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Do you object to applying stats to evolution?

Of course not, no scientist does. However, every tool has its limits of applicability and a stupid application is worse than useless.

You really are dancing very hard to avoid this question, aren't you?

No, it's a stupid question. In fact, your "question" continues to demonstrate that you know nothing of the scientific method, science in general, or scientists themselves.

But no scientist ignores a useful tool, soooo ....

Come on now, show us what you got. Show us what every scientist has missed for the last 150 years. Show us how you will win a Nobel prize.

190 posted on 11/10/2005 1:55:06 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Raycpa

Apparently at least one university thinks stats is a science. Maybe someone ought to call them and tell them its a tool and not a science.

__________________________________________

Bachelor of Science

The Bachelor of Science program in Statistics at the University of Washington offers broad based, flexible educational pathways emphasizing the theoretical, practical, or computational aspects of probability and statistics. The program serves the needs of future statisticians in science, industry, business, and government, as well as provides the necessary background and stimulation for graduate study.

Major in Statistics
Minor in Statistics

http://www.stat.washington.edu/www/undergraduate/


191 posted on 11/10/2005 1:56:17 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: balrog666

Then you think stats has nothing to offer the science of evolution?


192 posted on 11/10/2005 1:57:17 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Mathematics is not science, nor is statistics science, insignificant labeling notwithstanding.

Come on, Mr. Troll, put up or shut up.

193 posted on 11/10/2005 1:59:44 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Raycpa
Then you think stats has nothing to offer the science of evolution?

Put up or shut up.

194 posted on 11/10/2005 2:00:09 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666
Apparently you are wrong about what is science or do you disagree with major universities?
195 posted on 11/10/2005 2:11:09 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: balrog666
Put up or shut up.

Why argue with someone who refuses to agree to the definition of terms?

If you wrongly claim that stats is not a science then its pointless for us to go beyond that, isn't it?

196 posted on 11/10/2005 2:12:35 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Numbers on the table, please.


197 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:46 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: balrog666

College of Science

Statistics

Statistics at Purdue University is the only doctorate-granting program in Statistics in Indiana and is consistently rated by U.S. News and World Report as one of the top 10 departments in the United States. The undergraduate program is small, which means that students enjoy a lot of interaction with faculty and small classes. For students with excellent preparation in high school, the department offers a master’s program in which a student can earn both a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree in five years. There are two specialization options for undergraduates in Statistics: Applied Statistics and Statistics/Mathematics.


198 posted on 11/10/2005 2:16:32 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Doctor Stochastic

You too think that stats has no place in evolution? Amazing.


199 posted on 11/10/2005 2:18:18 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: This Just In

So, you're saying archaeopteryx and all of that is just "fabrication"? Any support for that assertion?


200 posted on 11/10/2005 2:23:59 PM PST by springing interest
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