Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
I can't say that i disagree. Deport them, not kill them; unless of course they riot, then by all means shoot.
I think you'll see LePen come out with a huge backing after this. Last time he got 17% of the population voting for him and Chirac had to pull out all the Socialist plays (including rounding up all the kids from Public Schools and making them demonstrate if they wanted to pass) to win. The Islamics are fools. There are no friendly governments across the borders to give them succor. They are an ethnic and religious minority that stands out very clearly, they are violent to the extreme that even moderates can no longer defend them but will be pulled to the right. They are lightly armed.
Nazis were socialists. My point is that there is not real "far right" in Germany.
"if French-style violence breaks out."
The article title is rather misleading. The camps and deportation are proposed for those who cause trouble. But given Germany's past record, it might just go further if it gets started.
There were some important differences and you know it: a) FDR did not put all Japanese in camps, only those on the West Coast where we were EXPECTING AN INVASION and where there was no certainty about loyalty;
It is evil for the Government to put a man into detention, stripping him of his rights as an American, when he did nothing wrong and when the Government has no evidence of wrongdoing, nor even the glimmerist of suspicion that he did anything wrong save for the fact that he or his ancestors were born in another country. Unless you believe the rights of the individual must bend to the power of the collective or the state...
b) All were processed by the FBI and many released after being cleared. It was slow, but it in no way compares with Hitler, and to suggest it did is sophistry.
It is the detention of these people, stripping them of their liberty and property in the first place which is evil, and not merely the slow process of "clearing" them.
Also, I did not make any comparison to Hitler in the least. All I said was that it was wrong when FDR did it, and it would be wrong now.
c) Enacting necessary WARTIME measures, that are later determined to be unconstitution, does not make it "wrong." It was not constitutional, but it was the wise and prudent thing to do. Some German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also detained on the East Coast, though there was never any danger of the Axis invading there.
First, you put the rabbit in the hat by first asserting that they were "necessary" measures. They were not. It was wholesale scapegoating and denial of the civil rights of FDR and Earl Warren's fellow citizens, most native-born Americans, for no reason other than because of their ancestry and because an unreasonable fear tinged with racial/ethnic animus.
Second, it was not wise and prudent. First, it arbitrarily and capriciously stripped them of the rights they had as Americans, something that can never be wise nor prudent. Further, it gave a huge propaganda victory to the Japanese Empire, who pointed to these actions as another example of the white man oppressing the Asian man. This was the major propaganda theme connected to the "Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" which Japan was pushing in the Asia nations it conquered. Also, it was a massive misallocation of resources at a time when all resources should have been aimed at fighting the enemy. One need only look at the records of the Nisei soldiers fighting as the good Americans they were and liberating Europe while their families were being held captive in the US, to question the wisdom of considering 120,000 people presumptive traitors absent even a micron of evidence of that status.
Finally, it was equally evil for the Government to hold Americans of German or Italian dissent where there was no evidence that these American were guilty of anything.
Multi-step process. First strip islam of it's status as a religion. It's really a political system (such as is communism). Then make any practice of this political system a felony. Since Islamites claim to be citizens of islam first and then citizens of the host country they are parasiting it can be said that they have denounced their US citizenship. Give them the choice, Islam or US. Let them choose to be deported as non-citizens.
The safety net here for Judeo-Christian beliefs is that none of them are political systems and this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
Since islam is the enemy and since every moslem is a terrorist by command of their scriptures, they must be stamped out. They are at best traitors and at worst non-uniformed enemy combatants.
Who says the Far Right did it?
Prove it. There is no evidence at all that the actions prevent anything that proper, constitutional and legal investigation would have done.
It also helped protecte the Japanese in America from vigilate action.
Oh, I see, so it is okay for the Government to swoop down, strip you of your liberty and property rights and park you and your family in a camp, when you've done absolutely nothing wrong, so long as they think it's for your own good?!?!? Wow. Better not let Hillary in on that little gem...
Those who wanted to be good citizens were allowed to do so.
What about those who were innocent, did nothing wrong, wanted to be left alone and who didn't want to be stripped of their rights as Americans and sent off to Manzanar?? They weren't allowed to do that, were they?
If anybody wants to start rioting here, I have no problem with collecting them and putting them into football stadiums until we can process them either into jail or out of the country. Period.
Hmmm, where have I heard this solution proposed before...?
People conveniently forget that there were plenty of Japanese spies on the west coast. That was why they did the internment, they couldn't afford to take the time it would have taken to weed them out by usual methods.
Some of the things that HAPPENED to people who were interned, loss of property, etc., was another matter entirely, to be handled on individual bases, which I believe they have been.
Nor would I, if they did something wrong. I'm talking about saying to innocent people, "if you belong to a certain ethnic group, religion, race, hold certain opinions, etc. then you will be shipped out to a concentration camp* for orderly disposition." That is wrong and evil. I wouldn't expect that to be a bone of contentions among conservatives. * N.B.: I'm using the term in its original meaning.
Can we, uh, like, BORROW some of these people?? Just for a few weeks.
Sometimes I visualize it as a circle rather than a spectrum, where the furthest radical leftists, and the furthest radical rightists are really not far apart, not far at all.
"HITLER PRETTY MUCH RUINED THAT"
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First runner-up:
"I see no good whatsoever in the spread of Islam to the West. Only trouble."
You are WRONG. Don't you DARE tell the CinC how to prosecute a war. Who do you think you are. You should be interned as well. They had no choice but to lock those people up until they could determine loyalties, and I would hope that any who stould in the way were summarily arrested.
I don't mean to start a flame war, I really don't. I was merely trying to express the depth of my belief that sophist-ical arguments over the rights of men have no place in a war for survival. There is no time for that, and I think there are entirely too many amateur lawyers squawking about this or that in this war as well, which I fear will lead to the same sort of paralysis we saw in NO and are seeing in France.
I mean no offense, I really don't.
Makes sense to me.
If they're Mohammedans, yes. It's time to review the last 1300 years of European history.
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