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To: LS
There were some important differences and you know it: a) FDR did not put all Japanese in camps, only those on the West Coast where we were EXPECTING AN INVASION and where there was no certainty about loyalty;

It is evil for the Government to put a man into detention, stripping him of his rights as an American, when he did nothing wrong and when the Government has no evidence of wrongdoing, nor even the glimmerist of suspicion that he did anything wrong save for the fact that he or his ancestors were born in another country. Unless you believe the rights of the individual must bend to the power of the collective or the state...

b) All were processed by the FBI and many released after being cleared. It was slow, but it in no way compares with Hitler, and to suggest it did is sophistry.

It is the detention of these people, stripping them of their liberty and property in the first place which is evil, and not merely the slow process of "clearing" them.

Also, I did not make any comparison to Hitler in the least. All I said was that it was wrong when FDR did it, and it would be wrong now.

c) Enacting necessary WARTIME measures, that are later determined to be unconstitution, does not make it "wrong." It was not constitutional, but it was the wise and prudent thing to do. Some German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also detained on the East Coast, though there was never any danger of the Axis invading there.

First, you put the rabbit in the hat by first asserting that they were "necessary" measures. They were not. It was wholesale scapegoating and denial of the civil rights of FDR and Earl Warren's fellow citizens, most native-born Americans, for no reason other than because of their ancestry and because an unreasonable fear tinged with racial/ethnic animus.

Second, it was not wise and prudent. First, it arbitrarily and capriciously stripped them of the rights they had as Americans, something that can never be wise nor prudent. Further, it gave a huge propaganda victory to the Japanese Empire, who pointed to these actions as another example of the white man oppressing the Asian man. This was the major propaganda theme connected to the "Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" which Japan was pushing in the Asia nations it conquered. Also, it was a massive misallocation of resources at a time when all resources should have been aimed at fighting the enemy. One need only look at the records of the Nisei soldiers fighting as the good Americans they were and liberating Europe while their families were being held captive in the US, to question the wisdom of considering 120,000 people presumptive traitors absent even a micron of evidence of that status.

Finally, it was equally evil for the Government to hold Americans of German or Italian dissent where there was no evidence that these American were guilty of anything.

45 posted on 11/09/2005 8:15:06 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash

You are WRONG. Don't you DARE tell the CinC how to prosecute a war. Who do you think you are. You should be interned as well. They had no choice but to lock those people up until they could determine loyalties, and I would hope that any who stould in the way were summarily arrested.

I don't mean to start a flame war, I really don't. I was merely trying to express the depth of my belief that sophist-ical arguments over the rights of men have no place in a war for survival. There is no time for that, and I think there are entirely too many amateur lawyers squawking about this or that in this war as well, which I fear will lead to the same sort of paralysis we saw in NO and are seeing in France.

I mean no offense, I really don't.


58 posted on 11/09/2005 8:36:34 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: WildHorseCrash

And I am sure that all those listed by McCarthy as being Commies were all innocent, too!


78 posted on 11/09/2005 9:02:42 AM PST by FunkyChicken
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To: WildHorseCrash

Sorry, don't agree, and in wartime, no court would either. There is "reasonable doubt" that a person may commit a violent crime in wartime, that supercedes constitutional protections. The first rule in wartime is to survive.


98 posted on 11/09/2005 9:49:29 AM PST by LS
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