Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
How do you confront the ideology/relgion/belief of a cult that believes it's okay to murder someone that does walk like they do? How? Speak soft, fluffy and cooing words? Whisper sweet nothings of more government entitlements into their ears like the French are doing now?
Converts to Judaism? Wasn't Ratboy (the American fighting in Afghanistan) a convert? Weren't John MOHAMMED and Lee Malvo converts? Wasn't that guy that tried to suicide bomb the Universtity of Oklahoma football game a convert? He lived with a Muslim in his dorm which was right across the street from the mosque there. Such peaceful representative converts to the Religion of Peace.
How about those Muslims in our prison system that are converting American criminals to Islam? Let's see the American criminals support stealing, murdering, and destroying and Muslims support the same. A match made in America!
Lefties during the 20th century stole, murdered and destroyed to the tune of 150 million during the 20th century.
Muslims, since their entry into India many, many centuries ago have stolen, murdered, and pillaged about 60 to 70 million Hindus. They have done the same to many millions of Christians (and many, many Jews) for the past 13 centuries and are currently are engaged in 23 conflicts around the world.
The Criminals who have done the same to its own in our society have for the past 200 years have done their best to destroy America with success.
I see a convergence happening. Muslims converting the Criminal element and the Lefties protecting the Muslims via the ACLU and other Leftie organs.
FC
What power does the government have to strip Americans of their citizenship based on ethnic/religious reasons?
A bunch of rioters run from the police. They hide in a neighborhood.
The police can't pick out each individual perp.
What do they do? Simply walk away because they can't ID each individual?
Or do they round up the lot and sort them out later.
I vote for the latter.
Well, then that's wrong. If they didn't do anything wrong, they shouldn't be punished. Further, it is a false analogy, because in the Japanese-American situation, there were no "rioters," there was a fear of a riot that didn't materialize.
Wasn't FDR a DemocRAT?
I fear we already know the answer to this question. It seems like there are many Americans who would gladly shred the Constitution in exchange for a little safety.
Sad.
Actually, what I was saying was prove that it was necessary; that the same results would not have been obtainable without the violation of their rights but with proper investigation. (And even that would mitigate, but not excuse, the Government's misdeed.)
Also, as far as you can show, there was no sabotage, because there was no threat from these people. In fact, as part of the support for the evacuation, General John DeWitt actually cited to the fact that no sabotage or espionage had taken place as a reason to punish these innocent people. Get that? The fact that they didn't do anything was cited as a reason to punish them.
Hope you won't mind this when it is your ancestral folks whom the powers-that-be decide are a possible, future threat, you can't be allowed the freedoms inherent in being a citizen of this country and they toss you into some camp.
Once granted, citizenship can never be removed?
Only for things like treason, I believe. Not for regular crimes and probably not even for terrorism.
"What power does the government have to strip Americans of their citizenship based on ethnic/religious reasons?"
Who's advocating removal of citizenship for ethnic or religious reasons?
I think the majority of Americans would like:
1) To strictly curtail future immigration and granting of citizenship so that we don't find ourselves in the predicament of several of the European countries; and
2) To have a process to remove citizenship from immigrants who break our laws (like those currently rioting in France) and then deport them.
Would you rather keep them here and have sensitivity sessions on how poverty, racism, and cultural misunderstanding prompts them to terrorist activity or rampaging?
Although I'm Jewish, I hate to say I agree with the Germans on this one, to a point.
Foreigners -- any, not just Muslim -- who make trouble should be rounded up & deported. We owe them nothing. We have to worry about ourselves. Frankly, I think those who kill should themselves be killed.
I'm in favor of this.
2) To have a process to remove citizenship from immigrants who break our laws (like those currently rioting in France) and then deport them.
I am opposed to this because it turns naturalized citizens into second-class citizens. You couldn't strip a native-born American's citizenship for breaking the law and there is no legal difference between a native-born and a naturalized American.
Would you rather keep them here and have sensitivity sessions on how poverty, racism, and cultural misunderstanding prompts them to terrorist activity or rampaging?
Barring treason or fraud in obtaining naturalized citizen status, a naturalized citizen is no different than a native-born citizen and should be punished in the same manner for crimes.
Michael Medved talked on the radio about his brother in NY that has a family. His brother has 2 boys who played with the 2 Muslim boys next door. When 9/11 happened Mike Medved's brother's little boys told them that their Arab Muslim playmates that this was going to happen. Unfortunately, the boys told their father after it happened. Mike Medved's brother called the authorities. When the authorities arrived that day they discovered that this Muslim Arab family had moved out the night previous and had gone back to the Arab country they came from. Many Arab Muslims knew that 9/11 was going to happen and didn't say a darn word.
Go to Richard Hoagland's blog about how a calendar was printed that showed a jetliner hitting the twin towers.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm
Look at the 30SEP05 entry.
Do you believe that Islam is a religion of peace? How did it spread? How responsible are the Muslims for the past 13 centuries that might have disagreed with the core tent of Muslim but did not do anything about it?
Why do you treat the illegal actions of Muslims as individual. Don't you understand that Islam is at war with the infidels? They look at us as one group that deserve to be stolen from, converted forcibly, murdered if you don't, and pillaged. They look at themselves as one group, also.
As long as you look at them as individuals doing just individual, un-coordinated crimes you will lose.
FC
Doubtful. Many of the 9/11 hijackers themselves probably didn't know until the last minute exactly what the scope of the plan was. Plots like that are known to very small groups of people- the more people you tell, the more likely it is that someone will talk beforehand. I doubt there were more than 12 people, if that, who knew the plan for 9/11.
Why do you treat the illegal actions of Muslims as individual.
Because 1000 years of Anglo-American law takes this approach. We punish people for their own actions. Period.
Don't you understand that Islam is at war with the infidels?
Some Muslims are, certainly. Those that wage war on us should be squashed. Those who live in peace should be left alone.
"I am opposed to this because it turns naturalized citizens into second-class citizens. You couldn't strip a native-born American's citizenship for breaking the law and there is no legal difference between a native-born and a naturalized American."
What you fail to distinquish is that citizens whose forebears have lived in the U.S. for generations may indeed engage in criminal activity but it is extremely rare that such activity involves disloyalty to this country. I think we all know that the loyalty to the U.S. of many foreigners coming here now is suspect to say the least and that a fifth column of Islamists in this country is a very real possibility. We owe no one the obligation to let them come to this country and claim or retain citizenship. Our first obligation is to make this country safe for its loyal citizenry.
"Barring treason or fraud in obtaining naturalized citizen status, a naturalized citizen is no different than a native-born citizen and should be punished in the same manner for crimes."
I'm afraid that view is Pollyannish when dealing with jihadists. They must be treated differently or we will end up like France. Send them back to Krapistan. They have no more right to be here than I have to be in an Arab country.
There are a bunch of muslims that are supporting those muslims rioters (aka Jihadists) by giving them shelter and not reporting them to the authorities.
The police hands are tied by their own rules implemented by the French government. They French police are getting shot at with shotguns by the Muslims all the while the Lefties are saying "hands off" on a show of violent, riot-ending force.
If this happened in America martial law would have been declared and all rioters shot on site. That would end this whole this IMMEDIATELY. But it's going to happen here anyway because Bush and Cliniton think it is a RofP so all you patriotic FReepers out there keep your powder dry. Don't worry, the American government will come to their aid and stop you all like they stopped the Serbians who did their best to stop Islam war against them during the Clinton administration.
We have to treat this as a war action not a police action. We tried that crap in Vietnam and it didn't work. As long as France treats it as a police action they own country will become another Vietnam. The French tried to impose martial law in Algiers when the Muslims were rioting for independence and lost! The French will lose and France will become Franceistan.
FC
On criminal actions yes. At war you group them all togther and take care of the problem in the proper war stance.
You still wont' answer my question. Don't you know that Islam has been at war with the Dar Al-Harb (non-Muslim world) since it's inception?
The reason why the Christians lost so much ground during the 7th -13th centuries because they treated like you do. The Christians under Charlemagne finally treated it as a war and pushed them back.
FC
What does this have to do with anything? If people are guilty of something, then punish them. If they are not, then don't. Is this so difficult for you to grasp?
Citizenship would be removed and they would then be deported unless you personally want to take them in and can guarantee the rest of us they won't commit murder and mayhem.
"Call me when you've amended the Constitution. Or do you plan on ignoring it?"
Article I, Sec. 8 empowers Congress "[t]o establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization".
Care to explain to me why you feel the constitution would need to be amended?
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