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To: reelfoot
1) To strictly curtail future immigration and granting of citizenship so that we don't find ourselves in the predicament of several of the European countries; and

I'm in favor of this.

2) To have a process to remove citizenship from immigrants who break our laws (like those currently rioting in France) and then deport them.

I am opposed to this because it turns naturalized citizens into second-class citizens. You couldn't strip a native-born American's citizenship for breaking the law and there is no legal difference between a native-born and a naturalized American.

Would you rather keep them here and have sensitivity sessions on how poverty, racism, and cultural misunderstanding prompts them to terrorist activity or rampaging?

Barring treason or fraud in obtaining naturalized citizen status, a naturalized citizen is no different than a native-born citizen and should be punished in the same manner for crimes.

233 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:47 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Palisades

"I am opposed to this because it turns naturalized citizens into second-class citizens. You couldn't strip a native-born American's citizenship for breaking the law and there is no legal difference between a native-born and a naturalized American."

What you fail to distinquish is that citizens whose forebears have lived in the U.S. for generations may indeed engage in criminal activity but it is extremely rare that such activity involves disloyalty to this country. I think we all know that the loyalty to the U.S. of many foreigners coming here now is suspect to say the least and that a fifth column of Islamists in this country is a very real possibility. We owe no one the obligation to let them come to this country and claim or retain citizenship. Our first obligation is to make this country safe for its loyal citizenry.

"Barring treason or fraud in obtaining naturalized citizen status, a naturalized citizen is no different than a native-born citizen and should be punished in the same manner for crimes."

I'm afraid that view is Pollyannish when dealing with jihadists. They must be treated differently or we will end up like France. Send them back to Krapistan. They have no more right to be here than I have to be in an Arab country.


236 posted on 11/09/2005 12:38:56 PM PST by reelfoot
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To: Palisades
I am opposed to this because it turns naturalized citizens into second-class citizens. You couldn't strip a native-born American's citizenship for breaking the law and there is no legal difference between a native-born and a naturalized American....Barring treason or fraud in obtaining naturalized citizen status, a naturalized citizen is no different than a native-born citizen and should be punished in the same manner for crimes.

You're absolutely right. It's ironic, but I can think of some prominent "right wingers", in the sense that the NDP or National Front are "right wing", who go absolutely nuts when America revokes the citizenship of former camp guards for fraud in naturalization.

249 posted on 11/09/2005 12:56:27 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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