Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
What a strawman. If someone is conspiring or planning terrorist attacks on this country, or comitting acts of treason, there is nothing preventing the government from arresting them.
All moslems are terrorists. It's what their scriptures command them to be.
You can read the minds of all Muslims in the world?
Excellent line of reasoning. Let's explore it further. What actions did koresh do? Child rape. That's against the bible, plural marriage . That's against the bible. Not rendering unto caesar's what was caesar's. That's against the bible.
You know it seems that all of koresh's crimes were also sins according to the Bible. So he should be punished for his crimes.
Now look at the moslem actions. Suicide bombing? Lines up with the koran, the hadith and the writings of the leading imams. Attacking innocent peoples' to take over there countries (kosovo). lines up with the koran, the hadith and the writings of the leading imams. Terrorism in general? Lines up with the koran, the hadith and the writings of the leading imams. Rape, and other subjection of women? honor killings? lying? The list goes on and ona nd all these behavior line up with the koran and the hadith and the writings of the leading imams.
So we see that the crimes of a supposedly Christian criminal are condemned by Christian scripture but the crimes of moslem terrorists are COMMANDED by moslem scripture.
Islam is the enemy
I believe you are.
Unfortunatley for us all in the West, the Muzzies have not gotten the post WWII memo from the Western elites that war, conquest, national identity and history are all over and passe.
To the muzzle limbs this is still a war and it is still an ongoing struggle and conquest. Think Jehovah's Witness missionaries on a 14 century long warpath.
Thanks.
It makes me sad to see what has become of Europe ,since I came to the US and I pray that it will change for the better in the future,since I still have Family in Germany.
First, who gives a damn what happened in other countries. I live here and not there because they are shitholes. Here is not. Further, the people were sent to these camps weren't just innocent foreign nationals and naturalized citizens, but included native born all-American citizens who happened to have Japanese ancestry. They were no less American than FDR himself was.
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If the Feds had done their investigations by the book how long do you think that would have taken? Probably not until the war was over. The Leftist attorneys would have had a field day appealing and re-appealing their convictions if the Feds did get any.
So, you favor giving the State any power it wants, so long as it is expedient???
Furthermore, if the investigation turns up information that makes the government suspicious of a person, then detain that person. I am not saying you can't detain someone who your investigation reveals to be a suspected spy. You just can't wholesale round up Americans because their ancestors were Japanese. You don't round up children because of their ancestry.
Furthermore, once they are convicted, let them appeal all they want. The government is lousy with attorneys.
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Do you think that it's not okay to suspend Habeus Corpus during war? Maybe the rules never change during times of danger for you. If a guy broke into your house whom intended to murder you and rob your home would you first respect his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by letting him take your life and your property? Would you not take drastic and draconian actions to stop this outlaw?
What?? I am talking about innocent people, not criminals. If you suspect someone is a spy, you investigate and hold them. You don't round up every Japanese citizen in sight. They weren't outlaws, they were ordinary American citizens who were wrongly treated as outlaws.
If you cannot see the difference between someone who does something wrong and someone who is innocent, that is the problem right there.
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I don't think the government should ever have carte blanche but you do what you have to do in order to win. I whole-heartedly believe in individual liberty and I never want to see if taken away.
I think you believe that when it applies to you, but when it applies to someone else, when it doesn't affect you, I don't think you care, frankly. I don't see how you can profess to say that you never want to see it taken away, but not seem to care that that very thing happened to a whole lot of innocent people.
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Our government did what it had to do to win and they didn't murder dissenting or interned Japs/Nips (citizens or foreign nationals). They took the prudent, balanced road, not the extreme road.
Balanced? If the Government came and did that to you and your family and you were completely innocent, I can tell you for sure that you wouldn't think it was a balanced action.
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These Japs did not reveal who the saboteurs or spies were but our intel agencies knew they existed within the Japanese communities on the West Coast. If the Japs had done this then the internment would not have occurred. If the Muslims in this country would do the same then we will not have to do it in the future. We can't do it now because the Leftist ACLU and associated Leftist organs are protecting them. They both want to take away your liberty, your life (if you don't agree with them), and your pursuit of happiness.
So, you believe in blaming innocent victim every time, or only when they're Japs or Muslims???
Thank You. This is my point. There is nothing to stop us from arresting and deporting (or imprisoning) moslems. All we have to do is show they are conspiring to commit treason. And we know that they are. Why? read on...
me->All moslems are terrorists. It's what their scriptures command them to be.
you->You can read the minds of all Muslims in the world?
don't have to read their minds. I've read their scriptures. If they identify as moslems that means they follow the koran. If they follow the koran then they are commanded to commit treason against this country. (and any other non-moslem country they find themselves in)
This is a battle for survival and Islam is the enemy
Once the Muslims get large enough numbers in this country you will see the burning of this country. As the late Justin Wilson said, "I guarantee it!"
You can get any group of people together and ask them their opinion on any topic and at least 1 in 10 will disagree with the other 9. Muslims are commanded in the Koran to lie to the infidel in order to spread Islam. I am willing to bet that the ones you talk to support Islam and its basic tenets (jihad, murder, lying, etc.) quietly behind closed doors. I don't trust any of them. What have the Muslims invented during the 20th century besides terrorism. Actually, terrorism is commanded in the Koran and has been used as their m.o. on the infidels since Muhammed in the 7th century. Obviously it was ONLY A FEW bad Muslims who wreaked destruction all over the world for the past 13 centuries.
The Muslims that you speak with that supposedly are against Jihad, which makes them as bad as infidels by the Orthodox Muslims and deserve death, obviously aren't real Muslims. Jihad is to Islam as Mom and Applepie are to America. The ones you know obviously must be secular.
You must not be have the ability to discriminate the difference between real religions and cults. Religions promote peace, cults promote death. Islam is all about war, death, murder, theft, oppression. How do you think Islam has spread to this day? With kind words? No, with the sword! If your Muslim friends are for peace they will convert to Christianity or another religion or belief like Buddhism peace because Islam is a cult of death. And they aren't being good Muslims if they are not being true Muslims if they are not doing that either publicly or privately behind closed doors.
Go to the Christian communities in Israel, the Sudan, Indonesia, or any of the other 22 conflicts and you will learn from them that you never, ever turn your back to a Muslim. Sorry dude, the most extreme elements spoil it for the rest. They have 13 centuries of examples to current day that teach me not to trust or turn my back to a Muslim.
Go to Saudi Arabia and try and practice Christianity there. They do not tolerate religious pluralism. They will give you a show trial and put you to death. I read a story about a Saudi woman who converted to Christianity and married a Christian man. She moved to America, but came back about 8 years later to visit family. As soon as she stepped off the plan she was murdered. The Muslim guy who did it did not have charges pressed against him.
The Leftists would do the same to the Christians and others that disagree with them if they had the chance. Both would put you on the chopping block first because of your views.
You are soooooo skewed to the individual you forget about the rest in any given group. Time for balance Daniel-san.
FC
Prayer is powerful. Although I can barely stomach France, I am nonetheless praying for them and that they will wake up. I also pray for this country, that we will wake up and learn from Europe. By the way, my family is from Italy.
No but islam is responsible for all these atrocities.
Then if, as you concede, not every Muslim is responsible, to punish them for the acts of the guilty is immoral and wrong.
These are the organized acts of a political system hellbent on our destriuction. That system (Islam) must be destroyed. To do otherwise is to commit suicide
Wait, but then, by this statement, you do NOT believe that the innocents are innocent, and you believe every single Muslim in the world is responsible and must be made to suffer for the acts of the guilty.
There can be no other way. Either you must leave innocent Muslims in peace, or you must be willing to punish the innocent as harshly as the guilty.
The first is of these choices is just, the second is an evil worth fighting. You choose.
The people who you refer to as "Japs" and "Nips" were, in the majority of cases, American citizens. Some of them were second or third generation Americans.
It is very telling that you cannot look past their racial and ethnic background to think of them as fellow Americans.
Accurate description of the National Socialists and assessment of the Islamicization of the Western world.
Yes, I have. It was many years ago. Have you ever talked to a Muslim?
Holy books say lots of things. People are even allowed to believe whatever crazy things such books preach.
In this country, belief is not a crime. People are free to believe whatever they want, so long as they do not violate the law.
Show me a Muslim who has violated the law, and I will happily throw him in jail, deport him or give him the death penalty, as the case may be. If he has not violated the law, he has the same rights as any Christian, Jew, Hindu or atheist.
But individuals form groups. Islam is one of those. If your Islam friends were really for peace they would not, repeat, WOULD NOT, be Muslims. They are not real Muslims if they cannot abide by the core tenet of Islam - jihad.
I didn't see David Koresh doing Jihad against the American government nor American citizens. They existed peacefully in America since the 1920s without a problem. The US government when in there with guns blazing both at the beginning and the end of the seige of their church. The US government took the initiative to jihad them instead of resolving it peacefully which was an option.
Do you understand anything about war? During the War of Independence what percentage of Americans were actively participating in war operations against the Redcoats? About 20 percent. What percentage were supporting it behind the scenes with money and other forms? A much higher percentage. Were there 10 or 20 percent that were not for independence from Britian? Sure. But the percentage of those for independence (both public and private) were greater than those against it.
About 16 percent of Muslims globally are engaged in jihad operations. There is a much greater percentage that are supporting it. A small minority (10 percent at least) are not for it. Do you think that the Jihadis here in America and abroad don't have a support network? Or are all of them just lone individuals acting in concert coincidentally to destroy the infidels in Europe, Israel, Africa, Asia, and America?
FC
I feel the same about France,but nonetheless they need our prayers to wake up.
I agree that the US should learn from the mistakes Europe made.
So you are another brave European that ventured to make a life here.
If they have comitted crimes. You have not shown that to be the case.
me->All moslems are terrorists. It's what their scriptures command them to be.
What a book says is irrelevant. What a person believes is irrelevant. It is not illegal in this country to either (a) own a book that commands certain illegal things or (b) hold beliefs which, if put into action, would be illegal. It is a veyr basic premise of about 1000 years of Anglo-American law that we only punish people for their actions, not their thoughts.
don't have to read their minds. I've read their scriptures.
A person's scriptures are in no way relevant to a criminal prosecution.
f they identify as moslems that means they follow the koran.
Not relevant to a criminal prosecution.
If they follow the koran then they are commanded to commit treason against this country.
Not relevant unless they actually commit such acts of treason.
Your arguments would get laughed out of any court in this country, and rightfully so.
The ability to discriminate in this case can save your life and your country.
FC
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