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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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To: Aquinasfan
Congratulations to Philip Johnson, Michael Behe, Michael Denton, William Dembski, and all the other people who have worked so hard, have taken so much criticism, and have suffered professionally, for standing up for the truth.

In other news, the entire Dover PA school board was replaced by yesterday's election. And after all that hard work, the perjury and all.

241 posted on 11/09/2005 6:16:08 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: anthraciterabbit
The people have said no to a bunch of effete losers who think they have some God-given right to impose their own particular brand of junk science and ideology on ... the people's children...

"The people's children?"

It takes a village.

242 posted on 11/09/2005 6:18:19 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: mlc9852
My tax dollars go to maintain roads I don't drive on. How is that fair? And my tax dollars support many other things I derive no benefit from yet I still have to pay taxes. Specious argument.

Not in the least. Government should not and was not intended to be in the business of building roads.

243 posted on 11/09/2005 6:25:26 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: IrishCatholic
If evolution is the final answer to the origin of life, then it will survive scrutiny. It will survive criticism. It will survive being questioned.

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Exactly right.

244 posted on 11/09/2005 6:28:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

1+1=2. Sine and cosine exist for every angle and are factual numbers. Evolution is a theory. Big difference.


245 posted on 11/09/2005 6:30:20 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Liberal Classic
The people have said no to a bunch of effete losers who think they have some God-given right to impose their own particular brand of junk science and ideology on ... the people's children...

"The people's children?"

It takes a village.

You know, I ask myself where I've heard this line of reasoning before, i.e. that evolutionists or homosexuals or liberals or some such know best what's right for America's children and parent's should not have any say in how their own kids are being educated, and the only other thing I come up with is the fabulous new sex-ed rulings you hear from the 9'th circuit court in which kids are supposed to learn how to do it with chickens and pigs and ducks and what not and screw their parents for wanting to have any sort of a say in it.

In a democracy, parents DO have a right to have a say as to how their kids are being educated with their own tax dollars. If evolutionists don't like that, they need to find another country for themselves.

246 posted on 11/09/2005 6:32:28 AM PST by anthraciterabbit
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To: billbears

Who should pay for roads?


247 posted on 11/09/2005 6:36:24 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Hacksaw

What's a "studel"?


248 posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:23 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: anthraciterabbit

"In a democracy, parents DO have a right to have a say as to how their kids are being educated with their own tax dollars"

Not according to the 9th Circus.


249 posted on 11/09/2005 6:39:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Kimball
I think you mean "Truth", which belongs with "belief" (ID) As opposed to "fact", which belongs with "theory" (evolution)

Huh?

250 posted on 11/09/2005 6:50:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: mlc9852

Private companies, consortiums, private citizens. Internal improvements were not under the original intent of the national or state governments. Neither was federally funded education.


251 posted on 11/09/2005 7:03:19 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

Totally unrealistic. Governments pay for roads with tax money. Why would private companies want to build roads? Should all roads become toll roads?


252 posted on 11/09/2005 7:05:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: TheHound
Hypotheses are assumptions to be shown false, Theories are "Proven" Hypotheses, Laws are indisputable Theories.

Definitions (from a google search). Hope these help:

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; "the laws of thermodynamics"

Assumption: premise: a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play"

Observation: any information collected with the senses

Data: factual information, especially information organized for analysis or used to reason or make decisions

Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true; religious faith

Dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof

Impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"


253 posted on 11/09/2005 7:17:00 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: mlc9852
Totally unrealistic.

Not in the least. Worked for decades before the War. Most states even banned paying for internal improvements in the mid 19th century. Even after internal improvements became the standard fare, some companies did not use them. Take the Northern Pacific railroad, which unlike its sister company union Pacific, was not built off the government dole and remained solvent far longer than UP.

Secondly if it is totally unrealistic, let’s ban all toll roads. Their upkeep can be maintained merely off government monies. One of the greatest wastes of money was the national highway system built partially off the lie of national defense. I would have no problem paying a fee for a road that was built and maintained by private industry. It would have fewer potholes over time as it would be built better in the first place. Currently here in NC, we are dealing with a 2-3 mile stretch of I40 that was built less than a year ago that is going to be torn up and repaved. All off of government money

254 posted on 11/09/2005 7:17:24 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Coyoteman

These are going into the archive's glossary section.


255 posted on 11/09/2005 7:32:30 AM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior
These are going into the archive's glossary section.

I am honored.

256 posted on 11/09/2005 8:01:40 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Elijah Muhammed, founder of the Black Muslims, taught that the white race was created by black scientists in a test tube 10,000 years ago.

Considering the "fact" that the first humans came from Africa, there's more scientific proof of this "theory" than the "theory" of Evolution.

257 posted on 11/09/2005 8:58:04 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: blowfish

Dear blowfish:

Occam's rasor, a standard tool of both logic and science, would preclude such a ridiculous scenario. You are using a time-honored trick of sophistry known as "poisoning the well."


258 posted on 11/09/2005 10:17:55 AM PST by attiladhun2
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To: attiladhun2

Not at all. They've already introduced mysticism into biology classes, and attempted to loosen the definition of what constitutes science to fit their theological goals. All I'm doing is slightly exaggerating their stance to include chemistry, to help illustrate how absurd their position is.


259 posted on 11/09/2005 10:21:33 AM PST by blowfish
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To: Liberal Classic
God the Creator and Lord of the Universe, which is the work of his goodness and wisdom; and Man, made in His image, who is to hallow his week-day labors by the blessedness of Sabbath-rest -- such are the teachings of the Creation chapter. It's purpose is to reveal these teachings to the children of man -- and not to serve as a text book of astronomy, geology, or anthropology. Its object is not to teach scientific facts; but to proclaim highest religious truths respecting God, Man, and the Universe. The "conflict" between the fundamental realities of Religion and the established facts of Science, is seen to be unreal as the soon as Religion and Science each recognizes the true border of its domain.
What are you saying? That truth=belief? Truth has to correspond to reality or it is nothing more than personal opinion. The Scriptures correspond to reality, and that is why the Scriptures are true, not because they are "truth for me."
260 posted on 11/09/2005 10:23:44 AM PST by attiladhun2
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