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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
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181 posted on 11/08/2005 7:49:30 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: ml1954
If you want to provide evidence to the contrary. Do it.

Well, if you believe in your version of science you do not need proofs.

182 posted on 11/08/2005 7:50:18 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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To: AndrewC

Ah, the New Testament.

Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval. (1Pet. 2:18-29)


183 posted on 11/08/2005 7:50:35 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: A. Pole

Dodge, duck, and weave and attempt to change the subject noted.


184 posted on 11/08/2005 7:51:56 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Right Wing Professor; vpintheak
"Can we choose that one?"

No, it has to be the one that fits the evidence: Special Creation.

185 posted on 11/08/2005 7:54:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: jec41

The hysteria among conservatives about this is really rather silly.

The standards don't go into effect until 2007 and I have no doubt the conservatives will lose next year, just as they did the last time they changed the standards.

And frankly, I am starting to take this personally as an attack on my state...comments like yours saying Kansans are a bunch of intolerant morons.

It is starting to piss me off.


186 posted on 11/08/2005 7:54:35 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: js1138
you endure pain while suffering unjustly.

What is it about that which confuses you? Hint: Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

187 posted on 11/08/2005 7:54:55 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

What part of "theory" of evolution do idiots not get?


188 posted on 11/08/2005 7:56:22 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: Kimball
...fans of intelligent design seem to assume that what is mysterious today will always be so,...

Almost true. Fans of intelligent design seem to assume that what is mysterious to them today will always be so. In this case, they're correct.

189 posted on 11/08/2005 7:58:00 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Perhaps you have mistaken me for an apostle of this Behe. I am not. I know nothing of him, is he relevant?


190 posted on 11/08/2005 7:58:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: ml1954
Dodge, duck, and weave and attempt to change the subject noted.

OK, let me explain. From the point of view of a biologist who does not believe in God or higher spiritual order, the man are just one of many animal species to which the same rules of racial divergence apply.

I do not have problem with that since I believe that God used the "clay" of natural processes to imprint the image of Himself in human beings. This act of God makes man different from dog. If you think that science supports this biblical view but do not want to show how it is fine with me.

191 posted on 11/08/2005 8:00:11 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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To: editor-surveyor
I know nothing of him, is he relevant?

It appears you don't think unfamiliarity with the basic facts and circumstances of a debate should retard your participation.

But I had already figured that out anyway.

192 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:11 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (If you love peace, prepare for war. If you hate violence, own a gun.)
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To: AndrewC

I am told on one hand that folk tales in the Old Testament must be believed literally on pain of eternal damnation, but explicit moral instruction that condones slavery is somehow inoperative. And the people who embody these fantastic notions would like to lecture me on morality.

I am not even a tiny bit surprised that scriptural literalists like Southern Baptists and Muslims have been among the most reluctant to abandon the institution of slavery.


193 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:21 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: andysandmikesmom

As my pappy used to say, any one under the age of 30 that is not a liberal "has no heart" and any one over the age of 30 that is not a conservative, "has no brains".


194 posted on 11/08/2005 8:09:06 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: TheHound
...I Present the Theory of Intelligent Design. Please demonstrate it to be false though experiment and observation....

If it's a theory it makes predictions about future observations; if these predictions are false, the theory is considered falsified.

So, precisely what observation cannot be "explained" as "the designer did it that way"?

My contention is that ID isn't a theory - it is incapable of falsification, ie it is vacuous.

If it's not a theory, it has no place in science class. Possibly in rhetoric class.

195 posted on 11/08/2005 8:12:54 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: A. Pole

From the point of view of a biologist who does not believe in God or higher spiritual order, the man are just one of many animal species to which the same rules of racial divergence apply.

You've gone way off the original statement you made that I first responded to. You've distanced yourself from it and you cannot bring yourself to state explicitly what you plainly implied in it.

You are attempting to attack science by asserting it is directly or indirectly racist yet you won't provide any hard evidence, only vague indirect implications. I'm through going around in circles in this discussion unless you support your claim with some hard evidence.

BTW, biology does not support any racial theories among dogs, cats, fish, humans, etc. Race is a political/sociological/superficial concept.

196 posted on 11/08/2005 8:15:06 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: js1138
I am not even a tiny bit surprised that scriptural literalists like Southern Baptists and Muslims have been among the most reluctant to abandon the institution of slavery.

I can't speak for the Muslims, but I have never heard of slave owning church member. Can you please give me an example of a Southern Baptist slave owner?

197 posted on 11/08/2005 8:19:49 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


198 posted on 11/08/2005 8:20:18 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ml1954; A. Pole
BTW, biology does not support any racial theories among dogs, cats, fish, humans, etc. Race is a political/sociological/superficial concept.

Uhh? What?

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. --- Charles Darwin, M.A.,

199 posted on 11/08/2005 8:23:42 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: ml1954
Race is a political/sociological/superficial concept.

Yeah, sure. You are so politically correct.

200 posted on 11/08/2005 8:23:48 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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