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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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To: js1138
Ah yes, we know that "no true Christian" would discriminate against women. The history of Christianity is filled with examples of sexuality equality.

Ah ... the feminist in you is really starting to shine through now.

Next thing you know, you'll be posting references to an article in the UTNE READER which claims how the invention of internet porn has finally returned us to where we all belonged to begin with .... looking at naked women.

The argument went like this: the most evil thing invented was words. Words carry the virus of religion, especially the deadly Patriarchal religions; Islam is bad, but the worst by far of course is Christianity.

Words are only processed on the left side of the brain. (The left side of the brain of course in men is 20 percent larger than the right side of their brain, due to the unrelenting bath of testosterone which starts at about the 12th week of pregnancy. No one knows why testosterone selectively affects only the left side of the brain.)

Translating pictures/images occurs on the right side of the brain. Thus, the more right brained activity going on, the less left brained activity you have to contend with, and the more feminized the individual is.

God and all things religious only exist because of the written word. Once words are translated into anything, women tend to suffer, or so the UTNE READER article argued. Thus, once the internet was invented, naked women suddenly returned to the 'view', the one they had from the distant evolutionary past ... the proper view indeed.

Each computer thus is really just a cave window for cave men ... and the woman who wrote this article was delighted that the final stake through the heart of patriarchalism, via porn on the net, was going to be driven home. Partriarchalism wasn't going to be destroyed ... no, internet porn was going to precipitate a society wide atrophy the disease ...

It was a compelling logical piece ... in the UTNE READER. I'm sure you have heard of it? See, that was a question too ... did you notice?

161 posted on 11/08/2005 7:14:30 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: balch3
Kansans would be better off not going to those hotbeds of leftist indoctrination anyway.

Please, that's a terrible thing to say. In my entire scholastic career at several colleges renowned for being "leftist" I never once encountered any "leftist indoctrination" in any science or engineering class. I would never ever think of discouraging my children from getting an engineering degree at MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech, or even Berkeley. Obviously you need to be careful when thinking about liberal arts degrees in History or something, but refusing to attend MIT because the guy teaching you vector calculus is a Socialist or something is taking it way too far. I would have given my right arm to get into MIT, and I wouldn't have come out of there a raving communist. I would have graduated from arguably the best engineering school in the world and hopefully counted myself among the best engineers in the world. To be honest, I have generally found people in applied sciences to be pretty apolitical anyway.
162 posted on 11/08/2005 7:15:52 PM PST by Kimball
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To: Kimball
I'm glad to be here; one of my friends turned me on to FR awhile back. Science and politics always make for interesting conversation.

Ha. Proof you are a troll. A Freeper under no circumstances would ever type: "Science and politics always make for interesting conversation". I'm betting you have a stem glass of white wine next to your computer, and a wedge of expensive French cheese not far away either...

163 posted on 11/08/2005 7:19:41 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: TheHound
I Present the Theory of Intelligent Design.

Bzzt. Your sentence implies ID is a theory.

164 posted on 11/08/2005 7:19:53 PM PST by sumocide
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To: A. Pole

As I said this is relative. It does not make sense to tell that one race of dogs is superior over others before you decide what do you want to do with a dog. If you want to hunt some races will be superior.

Relative? Races of dogs? We are talking about human beings. Science does not assert or imply one race is superior to another or that qualitative differences exist.

165 posted on 11/08/2005 7:22:38 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: gobucks
Ha. Proof you are a troll. A Freeper under no circumstances would ever type: "Science and politics always make for interesting conversation". I'm betting you have a stem glass of white wine next to your computer, and a wedge of expensive French cheese not far away either...

1. Does posting on here automatically make me a "Freeper"?

2. If I'm not a "Freeper" does that automatically make me a "troll"?

3. Point of clarification: I'm a red wine guy, and I don't buy anything French.

4. In retrospect, my statement did sound a little gay.
166 posted on 11/08/2005 7:24:13 PM PST by Kimball
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To: AndrewC

Oh, I get it.


167 posted on 11/08/2005 7:24:41 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: sumocide
Sorry, I saw that after I posted, a "Hypothesis".
168 posted on 11/08/2005 7:25:16 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Kimball

My son got his degree from Cornell...now I await all the gasps, throwing up of hands, and the hand wringing, and all the wild hysterics that must, I repeat, must, accompany any mention of Cornell University...

My son got his degree in Applied Physics Engineering...in 1996...hes very conservative in many of his ideas...but to hear the raving ones on FR, being that he went to Cornell, he must have been indoctrinated into the liberal lifestyle, and that he was weak enough to be indoctrinated into anything...

But hes a fantastic engineer, making a ton of money, and enjoying life, and yes, tho conservative in many of his ideas, in many other areas, he is, indeed, apolitical..


169 posted on 11/08/2005 7:26:54 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: AndrewC

You would be wrong. My view of reality adjusts to evidence, but I do not imagine I am smart enough to understand all of reality. Nor do I worry much about what pre-scientific people thought about the physical world.


170 posted on 11/08/2005 7:28:15 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ml1954
Races of dogs? We are talking about human beings. Science does not assert or imply

I like it. So you are telling me that science demonstrated that what applies to the animals or even to mammals does not apply to the human beings. I waited years to hear this! Please enlighten me, I would like some details.

171 posted on 11/08/2005 7:28:30 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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To: js1138
You would be wrong.

How so? You haven't a moral yardstick.(at least you haven't answered with one. "Perfect" is a moral concept not a scientific measurement)

172 posted on 11/08/2005 7:33:21 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Right Wing Professor; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; betty boop; bondserv; bvw; D Rider; ...
"Astrology, anyone?"

It has much in common with evolution. Both are based in feelings rather than facts.

173 posted on 11/08/2005 7:33:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Personally, I think that successful engineers tend to shy away from politics because so much of politics is permeated with appeals to emotion. The discipline attracts a lot of analytical minds that like 1+1=2 because there's no ambiguity. It doesn't matter how conservative or liberal you are, the answer is always 2. That appeals to me. But politics is by nature far more subjective. I'm fairly conservative on most economic and foreign policy issues, but I don't find myself losing sleep over politics like my old man did when Clinton was elected. I do lose sleep when I make a mistake at work though...


174 posted on 11/08/2005 7:34:22 PM PST by Kimball
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To: AndrewC

I have a better moral yardstick than a book that tells slave owners they can beat their "property" to death as long as life lingers for at least 24 hours.


175 posted on 11/08/2005 7:36:50 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: blowfish; DaveLoneRanger
"When the different viewpoints lack any scientific evidence, they aren't appropriate for a science class"

That's what most intelligent people have been saying about the teaching of evolution for over 100 years. There is zero evidence on the face of the earth that evolution ever happened, and massive evidence that it didn't.

176 posted on 11/08/2005 7:39:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
It has much in common with evolution. Both are based in feelings rather than facts.

You have it backwards. According to Michael Behe, if you adopt a normal definition of science, evolution is science and ID is not. And if you expand your definition of science to include ID, you have to also include astrology.

Those are the words of ID's leading scientific mind.

177 posted on 11/08/2005 7:39:16 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (If you love peace, prepare for war. If you hate violence, own a gun.)
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To: A. Pole

I like it. So you are telling me that science demonstrated that what applies to the animals or even to mammals does not apply to the human beings. I waited years to hear this! Please enlighten me, I would like some details.

My statement was ... 'We are talking about human beings. Science does not assert or imply one race is superior to another or that qualitative differences exist.' We've come full circle and I'm not going to go around it again. If you want to provide evidence to the contrary. Do it.

178 posted on 11/08/2005 7:39:29 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: js1138
I have a better moral yardstick than a book that tells slave owners they can beat their "property" to death as long as life lingers for at least 24 hours

It is so good that you can not name it. Plus you conveniently forget to mention the teachings of the New Testament.

Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

179 posted on 11/08/2005 7:45:25 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: js1138

what a donkey.


180 posted on 11/08/2005 7:47:08 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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