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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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To: Kimball
Thank you very much. I find myself in strong agreement with your post #100 in this thread.
121 posted on 11/08/2005 6:34:22 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: AndrewC
The statement was made that 'Science shows clearly that races differ in their abilities and character' in response to a hypothetical about the superiority of one race over another. It then contrasts that with what 'Christian religion' states.

The implication/assertion about what science says is clear and obvious. Parsing, dodging, ducking, weaving, backtracking, and 'clarifying' won't change that.
122 posted on 11/08/2005 6:34:49 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Liberal Classic
I would ask some of the more rabid creationists out there this: God doesn't like to fool people; He shows them the truth. Evolution has been offered to us as a way of explaining our origins once we had the means to understand them better. The Devil, on the other hand, is all about lies and deception. He manipulates otherwise sincere people through ignorance.

So my question is this: When it comes to rejecting evolutionary theory, are the creationists really sure of whose side they're on?

123 posted on 11/08/2005 6:35:23 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: A. Pole
It is the Christian RELIGION which asserts the inherent dignity and equality of ALL men. For godless person who "believes" in science people are just animals or biochemical soulless machines.

One does not "believe" in science. I am a Christian that believes that we have a soul. I also support the theory of evolution because it is supported by a preponderance of scientific evidence.

May I assume that you are a Christian that does not "believe" in science? If this is the case, may I also assume that you do not immunize your children?
124 posted on 11/08/2005 6:35:29 PM PST by Kimball
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To: AndrewC
Yeah, humans sin, so are you perfect? Or what do you use as a yardstick?

I don't believe reality changes with the latest fads in Biblical interpretation. If the earth revolves around the sun, it did so for Joshua, despite the claims of believers prior to Copernicus.

125 posted on 11/08/2005 6:37:15 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Liberal Classic; A. Pole
I strongly object to your implication that science is racist

Science is not about morality.

A Brief Analysis of 'The Bell Curve'

Abstract

The Bell Curve (Hernstein & Murray, 1994) has continued to elicit sharp reaction and criticism. The messengers and the message have both been challenged on empirical and moral grounds and the debate continues to rage on. This article will attempt to briefly review some of the challenges, while admitting that a full analysis of the subject would require another volume, or series of books, which have begun to emerge in response to The Bell Curve. The issue of race is discussed, as are the possible influences of funding and the danger of such motivation in public policy. The size of the heritable effect of IQ is discussed, as is the effect of the environment.

Introduction

The Bell Curve (Hernstein & Murray, 1994) has provoked some of the sharpest debates and attacks in this decade (Jacoby & Glauberman, 1995). In subtle and not so subtle ways, the authors of The Bell Curve have used intelligence research to substantiate claims that African- Americans are genetically inferior in intellectual abilities and capabilities. While these claims are not new (see Osbourne, Noble, & Weyle, 1978), The Bell Curve has touched upon issues that are not only sensitive to the majority of persons in this country (Betancourt & Lopez, 1993), but also basic to the establishment of governmental public policy
126 posted on 11/08/2005 6:38:54 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Liberal Classic
Modern biology, anatomy, and comparitive genomics show that the differences between individuals is superficial.

Modern scientists will not dare to assert or even to think otherwise. You see, they cannot survive as scientists without grants, tenures and public approval.

As a species, do not have a great deal of genetic variation.

The DNA sequences of the chimpanzee and man are approximately 98 percent identical. (http://www.hhmi.org/news/scherer.html). What is your conclusion, I am very curious?

127 posted on 11/08/2005 6:40:31 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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To: ml1954
The implication/assertion about what science says is clear and obvious. Parsing, dodging, ducking, weaving, backtracking, and 'clarifying' won't change that.

Look at post 126 and tell me that population analysis is not science.

128 posted on 11/08/2005 6:41:53 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: IrishCatholic
What is happening in Kansas isn't a slide into the dark ages, but an opening of a window to inquiry and intellectual freedom.

Inquiry? Intellectual Freedom?

We now know the answer to all questions: God did it.

End of inquiry.

129 posted on 11/08/2005 6:42:47 PM PST by Rudder
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To: AndrewC
From the conclusions of this same article:

The Bell Curve perhaps achieved its purpose by sparking academic debate. The subsequent books, replies, articles and popular press coverage that ensued after the release of The Bell Curve was tremendous, to say the least. From an academic standpoint, this can not be thought of as a negative, and I am reminded of the work of Levay and the attention he received to a lesser extent.

The difficulty lies in the fact that soon after the release of the book, affirmative action became a matter of national debate in Congress, as well as in the journals. The politicians cited the book, and took the message to heart. I can recall reading the front page of USA Today, in which the lead article mentioned why psychologists felt as if affirmative action failed. The book reads like a great prosecuting attorney, talking to the jury about the events prior to the day of the crime. The story is long, emotional, selective, and nothing is added to the story unless it helps establish the one point that the person at hand is guilty. From the first chapter on, it is clear that the book is a setup for the later chapters.

The arguments of Hernstein and Murray are to be taken seriously. As Rushton and Jensen have attempted to put forth an agenda of intellectual superiority, so have the authors of The Bell Curve . The claims of intellectual group superiority has held back women and minorities since the mid 1800's (Rollins, 1996). It is hoped that the debates against The Bell Curve put to rest in the claims that intelligence is tied to a gene that is related to skin color.

Seems more like a social, than a scientific, review.

ps. Skin color (IIRC) is tied to more than one gene, and correlates highest with environment (i.e., intense sunlight).

130 posted on 11/08/2005 6:44:55 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: js1138
I don't believe reality changes with the latest fads in Biblical interpretation. If the earth revolves around the sun, it did so for Joshua, despite the claims of believers prior to Copernicus.

I'll take that to mean --- "No." and "I don't have one."

131 posted on 11/08/2005 6:44:57 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
In addition, the board rewrote the standards' definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.

Consequently they should rename it "Faith Class".

132 posted on 11/08/2005 6:45:22 PM PST by sumocide
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To: Kimball
May I assume that you are a Christian that does not "believe" in science? If this is the case, may I also assume that you do not immunize your children?

Bingo. I did not believe blindly "science" or doctors. I investigated a little and spared my children some vaccines which bring more harm than good. Other vaccines they took.

Some claim that George Washington died because he blindly trusted his physicians. They bled him with so many leeches that his body was not able to fight the disease.

133 posted on 11/08/2005 6:46:28 PM PST by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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To: AndrewC

I knew someone would raise The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.


134 posted on 11/08/2005 6:47:41 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: js1138

http://www.ossm.edu/biology/micro2.htm

The Basics of Microbiology (w/out crediting evolution or intelligent design)

I. Cellular Organelles

A. Mitochondria

* The major energy producing component of the cell, they are small, membrane bound, granuler, and contain enzymes.

* Electron microscopy allowed the mitchondria to be viewed close-up which revieled that thier shape can range from spherical to rod-shaped.

* Each mitchondrian has an inner matrix and an outer envelope.

* The outer envelope consists of an inner and outer electron-dense membranous component, the inner portion is covered with cristae, or projections inward toward the matrix.

* The matrix of the mitchondria is an amorphorus (finely granular) substance which contains DNA, RNA, and possibly ribosomes.

B. Lysosomes

* Lysosomes are membrane-bound organelles primarily responsible for inter-cellular digestion.

* There are two types of lysosomes, primary (those which have not yet began enzymatic processes) and secondary (those which have.)

* Phagosomes: Pinocytic and Phagocytic invaginations which have engulfed liquid/solids and broken off of the cell membrane.

* Phagcytosis: The engulfing of solids by the creation of phagosomes.

* Pinocytosis: The engulfing of liquids by creation of phagosomes.

* Secondary lysosomes are a group of varied structures such as multi-vascular bodies, residual bodies, autosomes, hemosiderin granules, and lipofuscin granules. All these arise through the fusion of a primary lysosome and a vacuole.

C. Centrioles

* Short fiberous rod-shaped organelles.

* Within the the cell, there are usually two centrioles collectivelt referred to as Diplosome.

* Located near the nucleas, each is made of 9 sets of 3 microtubules.

* Centrioles serve to organize micotubles and to determine polarity during late prophase and metaphase of cell division.

* These organelles can also move to a location below the cell membrane where they give rise to basal bodies, cilia, and flagellae.

D. Microtubules (the cytoskeleton)

* Microtubules are straight or slightly curved delicate organelles located in almost all cells.

* Microtubules serve several functions, they maintain cell shape as well as aiding in interacellular transport.

* In cellular division, they aid in pulling the chromosomes to different poles of the cell.

* It is also thought that microtubules could be responsible for transporting water within the cell.

E. Filaments

* Filaments are responsible for three major functions:

A: Cytoskeleton filaments- Provide rigidity as well as tensile strength for the cell.

B: Myofiliments-


135 posted on 11/08/2005 6:48:40 PM PST by pulaskibush (http://kw7772005blog.blogspot.com/)
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To: Non-Sequitur

What's refusing to believe in science called?

Ignorance


136 posted on 11/08/2005 6:49:37 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jbloedow
Oh, sure, point out how brilliant, intelligent, and well educated these kids being taught by UNSCIENTIFIC neanderthals are! But can they put a condom on a banana in the dark? And I bet they suck at performing abortions. So really, what good are they without a circularly defined SCIENCE education?

Actually I studied evolution [public school] and my children who are all home schooled will have the proper understanding of it [that is my view of it]. All told the concepts of evolution taught in public schools amounted to about ZERO value in anything I've ever done. And go figure - I was pretty sure the B.S. I got in college stood for Bachelor of Science and the M.S. I got stood for Master of Science. I also had no problem getting into the Ph.D. program. I also don't recall being asked about my views of evolution at any job I've every applied for.

Well I guess some people don't view mechanical engineering as real science. All those cars, planes, air-conditioning, etc. were never real contributions to the world. But I do know several medical doctors and they all have sort of the same opinion - it was of no great help to them either.

137 posted on 11/08/2005 6:50:20 PM PST by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Coyoteman
Seems more like a social, than a scientific, review.

It may seem like that, but population statistics is science.(I am not saying anything about the conclusions that can be drawn from the data. IOW that is not my bag, I'm merely pointing out that science does make distinctions or attempt to)

138 posted on 11/08/2005 6:50:25 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Tell me that population analysis is not science.

This kind of population analysis is not science in and of itself. It is incomplete, open to interpretation, and inflammatory. Did they analyze differences in height, weight, eye color, hair color, body type, exact skin color, etc.

Are you arguing science asserts one race is superior to another?

My statement still stands. To assert or imply that science supports racism is vile and unsupported, and what I've come to expect of the creationist crowd.

139 posted on 11/08/2005 6:53:27 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: A. Pole
The DNA sequences of the chimpanzee and man are approximately 98 percent identical.

I'm not a biologist, but I'll take a jab. Relatively speaking, 98% isn't that high. The genes between the races are probably something like 99.999...% identical.

140 posted on 11/08/2005 6:54:18 PM PST by JasonSC
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