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San Fran Chronicle ^ | Nov. 8, 2005 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 11/08/2005 5:13:43 AM PST by conservativecorner

SOME FRANCE-bashers are taking great delight in the Muslim riots that are burning French neighborhoods and claimed their first fatality Monday. But this 12-night rampage is no laughing -- or gloating -- matter. It is as tragic as it was inevitable.

Coverage of the riots by major American media has been incomplete. Headlines have referred to "angry French teens" and "angry immigrants." That's misleading. According to a French official, most of these rioters are French born -- the children or grandchildren of African and Arab immigrants. The word that is missing in the headlines, and that comes in later paragraphs in news stories is: Muslim. Hence the frequent rioters' cry: Allahu Akbar. God is great. Not that you'll read that in the New York Times.

About 10 percent of France's population is Muslim, largely the children and grandchildren of immigrants from North Africa. Unemployment is rampant among French Muslims, as high as 30 percent or more, by some estimates. Many blame French prejudice against ethnic Arabs and Africans. The government's stated ideal of colorblind integration certainly has failed miserably, as unemployed families simply aren't going to integrate into a middle-class culture.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisintifada; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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To: Hoodlum91

Apparently they can afford gas.


21 posted on 11/08/2005 6:14:35 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: conservativecorner
SOME FRANCE-bashers are taking great delight in the Muslim riots that are burning French neighborhoods and claimed their first fatality Monday. But this 12-night rampage is no laughing -- or gloating -- matter

Hey I don't spend all my gloating time gloating over the trevails of France. When I get tired of that, I gloat over the San Francisco Chronicle's 16% decline in paid readership.

22 posted on 11/08/2005 6:17:33 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: astounded

"The enemy - islam - is an implacable foe, far more dangerous than the Nazis or Imperial Japan. It cannot be reasoned with, it can only be defeated in totality and finally. Otherwise, we are doomed."

We ARE doomed. There is no doubt in my mind. I've watched the events in France, and the reaction. The muslims are resolute. The muslims know what they want, and as you say, they won't be reasoned with. The west is weak, and soft, and the muslims know it.
The French response has been non existent. If it were possible the French would be negotiating a French withdrawl from France. They are doing the next best thing. The muslims have claimed areas, neighborhoods, as their own. The French are all but agreeing to these claims. France has no spine.
However, France is not alone in it's lack of will. Germany is much like France. And at least half of the US is in that same mold. Our children have been taught that they should never be hurt, that they need take no responsiblity, and the government will always be there to protect them. (Liberal thought, to be sure). Witness the endless liability lawsuits, and countless stories of authorities, (school and police), being chaistized for treating children poorly or without proper respect. Funny, I was raised to believe children should respect authority.
So, we've created a culture that is looking for someone else to make it better. They don't realize that THEY are the someone else. So, they'll wait. And the muslims, driven and hungry, will win. It's much more serious, and much scarier, but it's not unlike sports. Ours would be the talented team that's won over and over again, and is somewhat bored with the game. The muslims are the team that wants it, wants it so bad they can taste it, and will stop short of nothing to get to their goal.
I watch how our MSM refuses to cover the events in Europe and I realize that will hasten our demise. Everyone here snorts and chortles about how ignorant and misleading the MSM is. Well, my experience tells me that most people are still educated by the MSM. Say what you will, but the MSM still has a great deal of clout. And the lack of warning from the MSM scares me.

I hope I'm wrong... but I doubt it. I see the world being cast into a period of muslim domination, and it will take much suffering and sacrifice to throw off that yoke.


23 posted on 11/08/2005 6:33:43 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conservativecorner

Love the title. I'll really enjoy my cup of coffee this morning.

Intersting that people hang on to the idea that this isn't a religious war. From the Muslims' point of view, it is.


24 posted on 11/08/2005 6:38:50 AM PST by Seizure (More medication, please...)
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To: Seizure

"Intersting that people hang on to the idea that this isn't a religious war. From the Muslims' point of view, it is."

And no matter what one side wants to do, or wants to call it, if the other side declares it to be a war... it is. Period.

I'm actually glad this is happening now. The sooner it comes to all out war, the better chance the west has. The muslims are building in strength and numbers. The longer we wait, the tougher the fight.


25 posted on 11/08/2005 6:48:17 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: astounded

"The enemy - islam - is an implacable foe, far more dangerous than the Nazis or Imperial Japan. It cannot be reasoned with, it can only be defeated in totality and finally. Otherwise, we are doomed."

Excellent post! And so true...islam is the problem. It's festering out of control like the plague in the middle ages. Until these imams are halted or killed, their insanity will continue to spread across the world to these disaffected angry males.

I think of islamofascists as deranged mass serial killers. In America, when we have one on the loose, there is massive law enforcement to hunt him down and get him off the streets. With radical islam, there are literally millions of these same types of serial killers and they do not care if they live or die. It's nearly unthinkable. I wish the media would stop coddling these freaks and refer to them as "psychotic islamic serial killers". That is what they are, period.







26 posted on 11/08/2005 6:51:00 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: conservativecorner

Seems like everyone just wants to slap down the French on this issue - which is of course easy and fun to do.

The problem however is so deep for them - it has to be appreciated just a little.

The question is - do you let this fire burn itself out and contain it - or - do you attack it, and run the risk of making it flame up even more.

The French have a tough problem here - they are calculating that containment is the course of choice.

Remember - in France - the suburbs are for the poor - the cities are for the wealthy.

We all have to watch this - and hope (despite every emotion) that they can get this under control.

Ugly situation


27 posted on 11/08/2005 6:53:01 AM PST by Jake The Goose
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To: goresalooza

It is also interesting to me that these same (independent) "freedom fighters" want to have the Geneva Convention applied to them. What happened to being a martyr?


28 posted on 11/08/2005 6:55:03 AM PST by Seizure (More medication, please...)
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To: Hoodlum91

How do you have "poor" in a socialist society? The French are spineless.

Unfortunately, most people in America don't see the writing on the wall. The face some people put on Islam is Hakeem Olajuwon and he would never be a meanie. Even some Evangelicals that I know think Islam is just another way....


29 posted on 11/08/2005 6:58:57 AM PST by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet .)
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To: conservativecorner
Jihad!!!!

Zut Alors!

My Renault!


I know, they hate CARS!

30 posted on 11/08/2005 7:07:25 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Seizure

"It is also interesting to me that these same (independent) "freedom fighters" want to have the Geneva Convention applied to them. What happened to being a martyr?"

Excellent point. It comes right out of the DNC handbook/songsheet/commie manifesto. The rats want the same thing for their "islamic brothers". The rats and the terrorists are on the same page, it makes me truly sick.



31 posted on 11/08/2005 7:23:20 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: conservativecorner

WHAT? The San Fran Chronicle admits that it's Mooselimbs doing the rioting?


32 posted on 11/08/2005 7:28:35 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

1 Solution

SHOOT TO KILL


33 posted on 11/08/2005 7:33:19 AM PST by EternalPatriot (Have we lost our saltiness?)
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To: Jaded

"How do you have "poor" in a socialist society? The French are spineless. "

Great question, Jaded! I have wondered the same about Brazil. They've had their slums, crime-ridden areas and massive poverty forever. The media never addresses that it's made worse BECAUSE of socialism. All these socialist scumbag leaders do is enrich their own lives and wallets at great expense to the taxpayers and everyone else. When you think about the enormous resources of an oil-rich nation like Brazil (soon to be an OPEC member), it's crazy that they have so much poverty. There is no incentive for large numbers of the population to educate themselves out of their misery.


34 posted on 11/08/2005 7:33:34 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: conservativecorner

"West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.


35 posted on 11/08/2005 7:33:39 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: conservativecorner
Meanwhile, the Sarkozy-bashing is all wrong. Sarkozy, it should be noted, ordered police not to fire at rioters. How can critics call him polarizing when, as the Los Angeles Times reported Monday, rioters have fired at police about half a dozen times, but police have not fired back?

Leach sees Sarkozy as a constructive force, who, unlike Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, embraces the sort of Anglo-American free-market economic reforms that should raise employment levels and offer opportunity to the economically disenfranchised.


Sarkozy for French President!


36 posted on 11/08/2005 7:35:56 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Hoodlum91
This morning ABC radio reported the riots were caused by the "poor".

The fueligans can't be that poor, if they can afford the fuel they use to start their fires.

37 posted on 11/08/2005 7:39:20 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = MOOLIGANism)
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To: Noachian
With France in flames, and the rest of Europe waiting for the other shoe to drop, where can the Left point to as an example of the Utopian dream brought on by multiculturalism and diversity?

Good point. The Left can only pretend to cheer as the French socialists dig a deeper hole in their attempts to solve this problem.

38 posted on 11/08/2005 7:42:22 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = MOOLIGANism)
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To: goresalooza

"When you think about the enormous resources of an oil-rich nation like Brazil (soon to be an OPEC member), it's crazy that they have so much poverty."

If the government uses all of the resources of the oil industry to fund the lives of the people, it is still a welfare state (socialist).

Given the fact that the Brazilians elected a Communist to office, who has a fuzzy relationship with Castro and Chavez, the government may confiscate the profit from the oil industry as well as the industry itself. The government would claim to have the people's interests at heart when it doesn't (remember the Soviet Union?). Then it will be a tyranny with a dictator, which is not uncommon in South America.

You would also have to apply that logic to the United States of America (remember the 70's?).


39 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:08 AM PST by Seizure (More medication, please...)
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To: dangus

I swear I had nothing to do with it! Really, I keep my limbs to myself.

dung.


40 posted on 11/08/2005 8:05:11 AM PST by Moose Dung (Soiling the Shoes of the Lunatic Left)
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