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Good Rifle For Auto Defense? (Vanity)
11/08/05 | JoeGar

Posted on 11/08/2005 2:18:45 AM PST by JoeGar

I have a SIGARMS P239 .357 SIG for concealed carry and inside-the-home defense, but I feel I need a good rifle for neighborhood defense outside -- just in case somebody wants to torch some cars. I'd love an M1 Garand -- just to hear the ka-ching when the clip ejects -- but it's too expensive. The Ruger Mini Thirty looks interesting. What are your suggestions?


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To: yarddog

There are very clear laws under the UCC regarding repossession. I own a collection agency and am well aware of all of them.

What I see every day is people who want things for the their own enjoyment but don't want to pay for it. I don't feel bad for these people, except in a few situations that we will probably both agree on.

Most creditors wait at least 90 days before reposessing a car.

I can't imagine a creditor knowingly exposing itself legally by repossessing a car whose owner is current on the payments. It makes no sense.

I do a lot of work for tool rental companies. If the person never returns the rented tool, at what point does it become stealing? I am chasing a few deadbeats right now who rented expensive tools and never returned them. Are they simply debtors or thieves? In fact, at this point, I have so many clients in one area, I have the same deadbeats owing money to many of my clients? Am I supposed to feel bad for these people?


281 posted on 11/09/2005 8:38:17 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: sauropod

mark


282 posted on 11/09/2005 8:40:33 AM PST by sauropod (Susan Estrich is Nina Burleigh with a law degree. -- Doug from Upland)
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To: yarddog
The guy, from Finland who holds the all time record for sniper kills used a rifle with iron sights. Many of his shots were at long range.

That is an interesting tidbit of information. I never would have guessed it. I suppose at really long range it comes down to marksmanship more than anything else. Do you happen to know what the range the fellow from Finland shot from? I'm afraid that with my eyesight, I do need a scope for really long shots but in a heavily wooded area, where shots will be closer, I like an iron sight.

I don't want to sound like I am against scopes. I do like a good scope under the right conditions such as hunting for elk in a semi-open area or such. I also think that a night-vision scope would be fun. I just don't know what I would use it for beyond midnight target practice. I suspect that the blinding light from "youths" lobbing Molotov cocktails would be very problematic for all but the most expensive of night-vision scopes as well. I agree that many of the rifles being suggested are great rifles. They just don't qualify as cheap and that was part of the original requirement posted. Speed of target acquisition at close range would be my primary complaint with scopes at close range. Perhaps it's just me but it takes me just a little longer to select and focus on a close in target with a scope, especially if the target is moving with much speed.

283 posted on 11/09/2005 9:19:57 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: JoeGar
A follow-up.....I kept my previous response confined to the Rugers but I didn't address your larger question. My choice at home for the type of protection you reference is a Stoeger Coach gun side-by-side (gives me a "cowboy" feel)or the Remington 870. Loaded with any shot size - especially 4 shot and larger - they are a HUGE deterrent. Less $$$ than the Rugers, too. The bad guys testiquillas will pull up in his gut.....believe me.

Lando

284 posted on 11/09/2005 9:59:34 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (The general public doesn't pay attention enough........to care enough.)
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To: Colorado Doug
I just did a quick google search and I think the guys name was Valkoinen Kuolema. He killed over 500 Russians including Russian snipers armed with scoped rifles.

He used a Moisen Nagant rebarreled by Sako. And like I said, iron sights.

285 posted on 11/09/2005 10:27:36 AM PST by yarddog
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To: chris1
There are very clear laws under the UCC regarding repossession. I own a collection agency and am well aware of all of them

If you are well aware of them, there is no excuse for your erroneous statements then.

286 posted on 11/09/2005 10:29:20 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

My statements were not intended to be taken literally, they were to give you a dose of reality of what actually happens, versus what is supposed to happen.

Even if you have paid off your house, you can lose it if you don't pay contractors who work on it and they sue you in court.

What do you think happens if you don't pay property taxes??? You "own" your home right?

I have rarely ever heard of a creditor going after someone who is current on their payments. It defies logic.

The fact of the matter is that we under the illusion of ownership. You can harp on me about whatever little thing you want, but you really don't own anything absolutely.

For example, you "own" your furniture right? Well, what if you are sued and the judgement creditor decides to satisfy the judgement with your "stuff"??? Remember O.J. having to give up his Heisman trophy???


You took my point literally when it was not intended as such.
You know the old statement about people "owning" others once they do them favors or give them money or the like? Its not that they actually own them, but in many subtle ways they do.

Get my point???????


287 posted on 11/09/2005 10:48:09 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: yarddog
He killed over 500 Russians including Russian snipers armed with scoped rifles.

I googled it and came up with the name "Simo Häyhä" based on the search criteria that you gave me. A book that was about him was titled "Valkoinen Kuolema" (White Death). Interesting read from what I could find translated. Thanks

288 posted on 11/09/2005 10:59:35 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: JoeGar

After reading all of the recommendations on this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I need a shotgun instead of a rifle. With your money, I'd buy a Benelli M4. With my money, I'd buy a Remington 870.


289 posted on 11/09/2005 10:59:35 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: chris1
Yes I understood what you were doing. You were exaggerating to the point of making a false statement.

Exaggerations like that do make your point sound better than simply stating the facts.

I guess everyone exaggerates some times but when called on it why not just say, "yes that is not quite right."

290 posted on 11/09/2005 11:01:44 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Colorado Doug

I am sure that is correct. I can't read (or speak) Finnish so probably just saw that name "Valkoinen Kuolema" and thought it was his name instead of nick name.


291 posted on 11/09/2005 11:05:33 AM PST by yarddog
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To: chris1
"And that's a good thing????? A deadbeat who didn't pay his car note gets to murder a guy doing his job>???"

Don't change the subject.

292 posted on 11/09/2005 11:07:44 AM PST by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: JoeGar

So I guess this officially closes the thread? Good, NEXT!!!!


293 posted on 11/09/2005 11:10:15 AM PST by Cliff Dweller ("get thar fustest with the mostest." GEN NB Forrest)
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To: JoeGar
With your money, I'd buy a Benelli M4. With my money, I'd buy a Remington 870.

I would like to buy a Remington 870 with your money too. Please Freepmail me your charge card information and I'll order you one also. ;-)

294 posted on 11/09/2005 11:13:30 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: chris1
"And that's a good thing????? A deadbeat who didn't pay his car note gets to murder a guy doing his job>??? "

So you are a lawyer and make collections ? (from your homepage)

295 posted on 11/09/2005 11:31:15 AM PST by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: gatex

What was the point? The guy did not pay his or her car note, the repo guy was doing his job getting the car. The guy shoots the repo man because he "thought" the car was getting stolen. No charges????


296 posted on 11/09/2005 12:02:06 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: JoeGar
I've come to the conclusion that I need a shotgun instead of a rifle

Good choice. The neighbors will also appreciate not having the walls of their houses drilled from one side to the other.

297 posted on 11/09/2005 12:05:44 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: gatex

Yes. I represent small businesses who get ripped off by deadbeats and thieves who scam people out of money and services.

I track down people who take advantage of small businesses and make them pay what they should. You got a problem with that or do you think all lawyers are ambulance chasers looking to rob taxpayers?


298 posted on 11/09/2005 12:05:45 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: Cliff Dweller
I guess this officially closes the thread?

I suppose so. Don't ya' just love a good gun thread though?

299 posted on 11/09/2005 1:09:48 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: JoeGar

Newark and North Arlingoton do not share a street border. They are on different sides of the Passaic River.


300 posted on 11/09/2005 1:57:49 PM PST by KeyesPlease
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