Posted on 11/08/2005 12:23:44 AM PST by AliVeritas
Not much commented on is the fact that in 1999, according to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Joseph A. Wilson IV made another trip to Niger, a trip also paid for by the CIA and for which he was chosen upon the recommendation of his wife, Valerie Plame. The SSCI gives no explanation for that trip. And I don’t claim to know what it is about. One commentator, Macsmind, has his ideas. He suggests it was to
...broker what I believe were ongoing sales of Uranium from Niger to other rogue nations including Iraq. Of course detractors note that since France controlled the mines, this would be impossible, but the findings of the Oil for Food Scandal are shedding a differing light on COGEMA.In essence, what you had was a “cake” laundering operation, and the “washing machine” was the cache located at Al Tuwaitha. So long as the amount remained the same, no one would ever know. This is so simple (crooked cops do it with cocaine in the evidence room), etc.Of course there would be one caveat and this is key and not surprising. The IAEA would have had to have “blinked” once in a while. Scandelous? Yes, but that the IAEA might not have been so suspect if frustratated by the Bush Administration killing the Golden Goose, they showed their hand in October of 2004 by leaking the story of missing munitions at Al-Qaqaa. Make no mistake, the move was to defeat Bush and thus, get the ‘heat off” as a Kerry Administration would have canned any further scrutiny into the Oil for Food Scandal.
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Well said, and not very unusual for that second wife to work at the French embassy as 'a cultural adviser' (some of us know what that means), who also happens to know Rocco Martino... you know the guy (agent 'Giacomo' from Italy that 'found' the forged Niger documents from France?... that Joey referred to in the first Pincus article (yes before Novak and there were others... Kristoff and Corn, and yes Joe was their source), the forgeries that wouldn't get to US hands until eight months later. Last week Kristoff tried to backtrack saying "Maybe I misrepresented Wilson, he may not have told me he actually 'saw' the documents, but heard of them" (he must have heard a lot, he said the dates, the officials and 'the signatures' weren't right).
Food for thought.
It's amazing that the MSM hasn't investigated Wilson's business. Where did his $$ come from? Who are his clients.
Does he actually DO any business, or is it a front company?
Their lack of curiosity is astonishing in this age of supposed investigative journalism.
I'm not into the French/IAEA intrigue thing. I think he was just another Marc Rich...in it for the money. (Also didn't hurt that he could care less whether it hurt his country.)
Looks good, bookmarking for later.
Oh that's right, move along... nothing to see here.
Larry, if your wife worked in the CIA on proliferation, do you see any conflict of interest in her husband being sent?
Do you see anything strange in this husband not having to sign confidentiality documents?
Or bringing back an oral report, not written.
And this info was not shared by Wilson (and he was on plenty of shows and wrote columns), before the war started?
Do you find it odd that same husband would be able to report this (at the very least) confidential info far and wide in every media arena? Without a stand down from the agency? How does it look to send the husband of an agent that's a NOC working in the same field?
What do you think of the agency allowing him to run wild in the press and media knowing it could jeopardize her status...if any? They have the responsibility to make sure she's covered.
As far as your Administration statement. Like so many who ask to stick to the facts... you don't. What are the reasons we went into Iraq? I'll wait.
As for demonizing, looking for hidden motives and unsavory actions... I thought that's what closing the senate was about and the MSM. Most are here because unlike you, who believe so strongly in the MSM and are perfectly willing to be bibbed and spoon-fed... like to find the facts.
It is true that we are at war and have no time for any of this bullsh*t... it's just not done (until now and Vietnam... which you saw the outcome of that one... and they weren't capable of coming over and targeting).
BTW, How do you think the country should react to the Muslim threat? What do you think of the France plan?
You think that's something... try to find out about Joe the first, second and third.
thanks will read later.
Ping.
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Actually Joe Wilson went to Niger in 1999...and again in 2000, by his own account.
Thus the now widely famous CIA-paid trip to Niger in 2002 was Joe's THIRD trip, post retirement.
Joe said in at least one interview that his 1999 trip was regarding "uranium matters". I believe he was justifying why he was considered expert enough to be asked by the CIA to go investigate in 2002.
But a very interesting possibly ill-considered admission by Joe Wilson that his "business" dealt with uranium issues in Niger as early as 1999...wouldn't you say? Since 1999 also was the year the Iraqis (and others, such as the father of rogue nation nuclear proliferation, AQ Khan) were visiting Niger on "trade missions",
He got himself "selected" for some reason - and we know it wasn't to safeguard the United States. That leaves many options, most of them not admirable.
Sniff, sniff...Something smells really, really bad....said Mr. Novak. Let's turn Mr. Wilson into an honest man.
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No.
Do you see anything strange in this husband not having to sign confidentiality documents?
No.
Or bringing back an oral report, not written.
No. In any case it was certainly recorded and transcribed.
And this info was not shared by Wilson (and he was on plenty of shows and wrote columns), before the war started?
So far as I know he didn't go public until May 2003 when he talked to Kristoff.
Do you find it odd that same husband would be able to report this (at the very least) confidential info far and wide in every media arena?
Why confidential? He talked quite openly to his contacts in business and government and found nothing. The agency didn't make an issue of it at the time. They didn't think he would find much...and he didn't (he only confirmed what they already knew from previous reports by our ambassador and General Fulford). Nobody anticipated that it would become an issue.
How does it look to send the husband of an agent that's a NOC working in the same field?
Very good. It gave him additonal info and expertise which was not generally known.
The report said Citigroup has moved more than $130m through Mr Bongo's accounts since 1985, and some of the funds may have come from Gabon's public treasury.
All participants and journalists are agreed that the Administration was profoundly shocked by 911 and its potential implications and consequences. I think that's non-controversial. Only a true moron could have reacted differently. In addition its confidence in intelligence fell a large number of notches from an already low position. Again, perfectly logical.
The Administration decided drastic action was necessary. What had been done previously to counter the threat emanating from the Muslim world wasn't working. Something new and different was required.
Isn't that enough to explain everything? When you try something new - especially when it's very, very high risk - you're bound to step on a lot of toes, hurt a lot of feelings, damage a lot of interests and constituencies.
Do we really have to go beyond that into unsupported assertions of criminality, conspiracy, etc...even if the Left does so? Isn't it enough to ridicule their assertions, expose their hysteria, counter their ideas with historical precedent?
Wilson can legitimately be accused of being a pompous ass (I am not saying he is) who has exagerated the importance of his findings. Isn't that enough? Exposing his wife was a big mistake on the part of the Administration and they'll have to deal with it.
Ambassador Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa, He was one of the principal architecs of President Clinton's historic trip to Africa in March 1998.
Wilson also went on this trip to Africa with the President. They may not have known Plame but they sure knew Wilson,
Wilson went to Africa in 1998 with the then President Clinton.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1517550/posts?page=37#37
See link at post #37.
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Excellent summation of connections through France to the Baghdad regime. I know that Total was knee deep in Oil For Food and Chirac did everything in his power to keep the US from invading, so there is little doubt in my mind that Chirav was on Saddam's payroll or giving payback for old favors (as you have listed several possibilities including funding his party creation).
I don't see where we're linking that with the Wilson affair. I don't think Wilson's ordeal rises to the State level. I think it is probably mired in shady business and illegal sales of outlawed nuclear components. But if there is some connection between Wilson and Chirac is would easily follow that the components would wind up in Baghdad because of the connections you had laid out in your post.
I am looking for evidence that Wilson had business affairs in Niger and what those affairs involved, when they began and if the two trips, in 1999 and 2002, were related. I believe Wilson got himself "selected" for the trip to ensure that he was the one investigating himself. I think it's possible that they hatched the "Covert Leak" story and investigation to cover up what they were doing and further insulating them from future investigation.
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