SURPRISE THREAT TO PIRRO BID (conservatives to back tough-talking ex-Marine against Hillary)

NY POST ^ | 11/7/05 | FREDRIC U. DICKER

[Liz]

JEANINE PIRRO Conservatives eye rival.

Jeanine Pirro's little-known opponent for the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate is close to winning crucial backing from the small but influential Conservative Party, insiders say.

Such a success by former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer would deny Pirro a vital endorsement in what would already be — if she is the GOP nominee — an uphill battle against incumbent Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. And it would be the latest blow for Pirro, the outgoing Westchester County district attorney whose campaign has been marred by stumbles and fund-raising shortfalls.

Tactically, Spencer, a tough-talking ex-Marine who is far more conservative than Pirro on a range of issues, plans to use Conservative Party backing as leverage to convince many still-uncommitted GOP leaders to back him as the only candidate with a chance to defeat Clinton.

"Spencer clearly has the edge on Jeanine," Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long told The Post. "If our party's convention was held next week, I think Spencer would be the choice." Spencer said, "I feel, at this point, the Conservative endorsement is in the bag."

No Republican since 1974 has won statewide election without Conservative Party support.

[Mia T]

She's a disappointment. Pulling her punches. Looking to the next race.

With her impressive record empowering and helping vulnerable, battered, abused, sexually assaulted women and children,
she needs to go straight to missus clinton's achilles heel: the clintons' 30-year history of rape and predation.

BEAUTY AND THE HILDABEAST

• JEANINE PIRRO: 30-year career fighting for the abused woman
• HILLARY CLINTON: 30-year career abusing women

 
(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)

 

the clinton-clinton-Broaddrick kind of rape, according to Susan Estrich


THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)


ESTRICH IMPEACHED BY HER OWN WORDS,
EXPOSES STOCK HILLARY PLOY: EXPLOIT WOMEN
my amazon.com review


STRANGE BEDFELLOWS: ED KLEIN AND SUSAN ESTRICH AGREE ABOUT HILLARY


ESTRICH BOOK EXPOSES STOCK HILLARY PLOY: EXPLOIT WOMEN


OPEN LETTER TO SEAN HANNITY ON ESTRICH INTERVIEW, THE CLINTONS' RAPE OF BROADDRICK
(with additions, corrections, addendum)


CLINTONS' DOCUMENTED ABUSE OF WOMEN


hillary clinton is a "CONGENITAL LIAR"
("I am not a crook")


retrograde feminist fraud positions herself as victim (again) in order to win White House
[FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME!]


NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN CLINTON REACTION TIME AND CONTENT TO THE TWO RAPE CHARGES


CATCHING THE CONSCIENCE OF THE KINGFISH
differential reaction to the two rape charges snares the clintons


HILLARY FLUNKED D.C. BAR EXAM
"the smartest woman in the world" sought less competitive venue

[fieldmarshaldj]

"The New York GOP has a lot to answer for, but no one would have defeated Hillary Clinton in 2000. Al Gore won the state by 1.7 million votes that year. In addition, demographics don't favor Republicans in NY. People drawn to life in NYC aren't known for their conservativism. It's not as if the GOP can force voters to support them against their will."

I don't necessarily believe that Hillary was thoroughly unstoppable in 2000, and with a strong and unafraid candidate, she could've been beaten. Even with a substantial win in '92 for WJ Clinton, Al D'Amato managed to win a 3rd term (and he was still fairly Conservative), so even looking at how well a party performs on the Presidential level doesn't necessarily mean they'll vote exactly that way downballot (if they did, the Dakotas wouldn't have elected a Democrat Senator in decades). It may have been a good thing that Giuliani was unable due to health problems to follow through on a campaign (as it seemed he needed to be Mayor right when he was the following year), though Lazio did not perform to our expectations. In states where we are not as favorably looked upon by the electorate, it is up to the state leaders to LEAD public opinion and support in their direction. After all, Pataki was ELECTED as a Conservative in '94, but rather than move the public in that direction, he allowed himself to be moved leftward, and after 12 years of his leadership, the state party is in shambles and at its weakest point since 1974 (with no natural successor). Of course, this is nothing you don't already know.

[Owen]

Has such an explicit endorsement taken place? The operative word is explicit.

[rhombus]

Beware the Weldites? That's not much of a ralying cry, my friend. Weld is a distant memory around N. England these days. What have you learned about NH? I am saddened to see the state slowing slidding blue.

[cloud8]

> The goal is to bankrupt her for her 2008 run. Force her to spend 100 mil and make the race close.

If only. I'm afraid that Hollywood + Soros = $Bazillions. Rodham's coffers will never be empty.

[cloud8]

> Was [the last R-NY] Jacob Javits?

He always had the Liberal Party endorsement along w/ the Republican nomination. Al D'Amato was the last NY Repbulican senator.

[AuH2ORepublican]

Mayor Spencer sounds like a much better candidate than Pirro. If he could get elected and reelected in Yonkers, he might not do so poorly in Brooklyn and Queens and should do well in Staten Island, Long Island and parts of Westchester. He'd have to build up his name ID bigtime in Upstate if he is to make a real race out of it, but I don't think his issue positions would hurt him Upstate (as would be the case with Pirro).

One guy I thought might make a good challenger to Hillary was former Congressman Jack Quinn of Buffalo, whose only flaws as a statewide candidate would be (i) his potential inability to connect with NYC metro area voters and (ii) his apparent lack of interest in reentering the political fold. Spencer sounds like someone similar to Quinn in his conservative stances on social issues and ability to win in a heavily Democrat area.

Of course, as much as I hate to say this, our best shot at beating Hillary might actually be George Pataki (who has recovered from low poll ratings several times during his 11 years as governor). But he wants to run for President (snicker).

[cloud8]

> But this is not about NY. This is about 2008. You CANNOT allow Hillary to be labeled CENTRIST or we have Hillary as president in 2008.

Absolutely. It's about the future of this country.

[cloud8]

> She is not catching fire because people can't see a difference between her and Hillary Clinton.

This election is not about abortion, homosexuality and guns. It's not about the difference between *anyone* and Hillary. It's entirely about 2008 and the future of this country. That is what people have to see.

[cloud8]

> I think Goodell and Ottinger split the liberal vote.

That's Hillary's plan for 2008. To split the right between a moderate Republican and a principled Conservative. So far a lot of people are falling for it.

[AuH2ORepublican]

Here's a city and township map of Massachusetts: http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cispdf/ma_city_town.pdf

For the city and township in presidential elections, go to http://uselectionatlas.org/

and click on Election Results, then on General by Year and select 2004 or 2000 or whatever you want, then click on Massachusetts in the map, then click on Township, and then you can select townships by cliking on the names of the counties. BTW, North Andover gave Bush 49.89% and Kerry 48.94% in 2004.

Let me know if this doesn't work, since perhaps you need to be a paying member to carry out some of these steps.

[AuH2ORepublican]

Here's a township map of Massachusetts with blue signifying a Bush township and red signifying a Kerry township (red should go back to the Commie Democrats):

[rhombus]

Quite interesting. Have you got a map for 2000? I just wonder if there's much of a comparison when a home town guy isn't running for President. Sadly, the two maps will probably be pretty close.

[AuH2ORepublican]

Bush did better in Mass. in 2004 than in 2000 (this was true in every state except Vermont and SD):

[AuH2ORepublican]

I forgot to mention, that was the 2000 map. I got the 2000 and 2004 maps from the site I mentioned above, Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, http://uselectionatlas.org/

[rhombus]

Bush did better in Mass. in 2004 than in 2000

Keep hope alive!

[Clemenza]

Attorney General Facelift is an incompetant empty pantsuit. NY can do better.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"Beware the Weldites? That's not much of a rallying cry, my friend."

I always tended to put Weld in his own special breed of RINO. You have Pataki RINOs who are like a case of herpes - bad, but not fatal. But then you have your Weldites, and that is like AIDS. Once infected, you are f**ked (pardon my Fr**ch).

"Weld is a distant memory around N. England these days."

Almost like the Republican party he destroyed. Well, not so distant a memory as he's trying to spread his disease to NY, his home state...

"What have you learned about NH? I am saddened to see the state slowing slidding blue."

Since I'm one of those who has refused to be labelled by the media the color of communism, Republican is a blue color, so when we go by colors, it seems too many read them in reverse. NH has had the problem of MA residents coming in and turning the state more 'Rat (though it hasn't reached critical mass). I felt sorry for fmr Gov. Craig Benson as he never seemed to get a break during his too-short tenure. If he had managed to improve on his popularity, he might've been able to have kept the state in our column (though it is clear a lot of those folks there who are comfortable voting GOP elsewhere still couldn't keep their fingers from voting for John F'in narrowly). Still the party needs to do some work there to keep it the bastion of sanity for the northeast. Of course, probably my favorite governor there of the last 40 years was the late Meldrim Thomson. He didn't take any crap from the left.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Did you do a double-take when you saw that pic of her ? I swore it was Barbara Boxer !

[fieldmarshaldj]

Quinn might've made a good candidate, but it is just so hard for those not in in the NYC media market to get an even break statewide. Upstate and the city probably should be split into two states.

As for Pataki, I think Hillary would crush him. She needs a tough and unapologetic opponent. Pataki is like a lumbering boob. It's similar to the problem that the CA GOP has, in that it hasn't put up a tough opponent against Babs Boxer since Conservative Bruce Herschensohn in '92. Meely-mouthed milquetoasts can't slay evil witches.