A very good post indeed. Thank you for the short French history course which is mostly new ground for me.
Posted on 11/06/2005 8:17:38 PM PST by quesney
Address your answer to bnelson44, then. He is the one who is asking the question.
---But you won't have to kill all of them, just some of them.---
If you're talking about ending the present situation, I agree. It was a tremendous error not to have jumped on this real hard the third day or so. This looking like an intifada now.
I think we are all enjoying watching France go down, can't think of a country that deserves this more! Pompous as they are!
You should take into account the lack of acculturation of this very large influx of Muslims into Europe. It is not presently necessary for the majority of them to embrace any sort of global jihadist agenda for the scenario described in this blog to result.
RX for riots:
1. Seal off affected areas.
2. Announce 24 hour curfew, shoot-to-kill enforcement.
3. Position infantry fighting vehicles backed by infantry at all entrances and exits.
4. When rioters emerge, strafe with autocannon fire from helicopter gunships. Followup with rocket atacks as necessary. Rely on "shock and awe" effect to discourage rioters.
5. Send IFVs in. Clear streets with machine gun and grenade-launcer fire.
6. House to house searches. Issue photo ID cards to all residents. Set up government-controlled feeding and aid stations.
7. Continue riot suppression as necssary. Erect security fences. Process cardholders for deportation.
8. Round up and deport cardholders.
9. Bulldoze affected areas.
10. End all immigration from Muslim countries.
No, it was 88 years ago we should have let the Germans have them.
I hope that the French carefully note that the Israeli intifada started with rock-throwing youths.
Rock-throwing provoked "incidents", followed by negotiations, leading to more rock-throwing, occasional gunfire, more incidents, bombings, big peace conference with concessions, more bombings, targeted retaliation, open warfire between the Palestinian civilians, armed Palestinian militants, and the Israeli army.
Is this where France is headed?
If not, the time for France to act is now.
Are you referring to Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours 732 A.D.?
A very good post indeed. Thank you for the short French history course which is mostly new ground for me.
You're right, I was only thinking of events within my lifetime.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1517088/posts
Got That "Ooo La La, Intifada" Feeling?
Israel National News ^ | 11-06-05 | Steven Plaut
Posted on 11/06/2005 9:19:54 PM PST by Fenris6
Well, now that the French are experiencing their own intifada, we suggest that they resolve the problem using the very same plan that they have been trying for decades to impose upon Israel. Yes, comrades, it is time to implement the Land for Peace Plan, Paris-style. Here it is:
First, until this plan is implemented in full, we must insist that the French government acknowledge that there is no military or police solution to the problems of violence in its suburbs, and only through recognizing the legitimacy of the demands of the murderers and rioters outside Paris can the problems be resolved.
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"Yes, but you can't kill that many people in Western Europe nowadays, without throwing the whole facade of western democracy out the window and no one is willing to do that, for now. It seems these thugs can't simply be deported either. So you make a decision just as we did with our inner city problems and you start budgeting for jails to hold a lot of people"
You forget that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. So much for western democracy.
The truth of the matter, to partially paraphrase Churchill, is that countries have interests, and they will do whatever is necessary to protect those interests. Whether that will to protect a certain interest comes from the grassroots (i.e. the people) or at the dictate of the state is mostly irrelevant. When the ocnsensus becomes "it is in our vital interests", regardless of the subject, human beings are quite capable of throwing the rules regarding democracy and Western Civilization out the window. See Hitler, above.
Right now, the French, in particular the French government, is between a rock and a hard place: squashing this rebellion is the easy part, if somewhat bloody (it can only end this way, btw), but what comes after it is doubly difficult --- returning France to a functioning, capitalist, free-market society, based upon old Western (Judeo-Christian) values.
This means chucking socialism. It means chucking the planned economy and throwing the European Union overboard.
These have been the hallmarks of Franch-ness for the last 50 years. These riots are merely an indication that France has been living in a dream world for those 50 years. The hardest part is to admit they were dreaming and return to their roots, so to speak. Such an undertaking, which equates roughly to "France for the French" will rip French society to shreds a lot faster than these Arabs will. But it will be a necessary evil.
The same could be said for Spain, Britain, Holland, etc, etc.
PS, not that i'm taking bets, but my guess is that Italy will be next. In recent years, Italy has been crawling with Albanians, who, by the way, are probably the most vicious people on the continent (and mostly Muslim).
Neville Chamberlain would be proud of you. During their meetings, Hitler repeatedly assured him that he had no designs on conquest in europe and Chamberlain, denying the evidence of his own eyes, believed him.
Vichy France might as well have been German. They certainly didn't fight the Germans.
We can't do that. Rescue by Americans would wound french pride too deeply. We must be kind and leave them to their own devices. It's the considerate thing to do.
"Knee deep" in trouble
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:
No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.
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