Posted on 11/06/2005 8:17:38 PM PST by quesney
November 06, 2005
I haven't written about the Paris (and now perhaps French) intifada, partly because I've been too busy and partly because it's so sad. I've been saying since the early days of Power Line that France is done-for, but seeing this evidence of the phenomenon is much more harrowing than contemplating the concept. Despite my frequent and harsh criticism of France and the French (too frequent and harsh to suit my French wife), I love the city of Paris and some aspects of French culture. The demise of that city and that culture, for all the faults of both, is tragic.
The riots in themselves signal no such demise. We had our race riots in the late 1960s. But these riots are fundamentally different. Although our rioters had reason to hate America, deep-down they didn't. Our riots came at the tail end of the great and peaceful civil rights revolution. By the time they occurred, Congress had already passed the legislation that would vastly diminish the injustices that sparked them. The movement that Martin Luther King led was profoundly pro-American. It challenged America to live up to its creed. The rioters were kids who, to the extent they claimed to be separatists, were fooling themselves and no one else. It was their impatience with the pace of integration which caused them to embrace the shock rhetoric of extreme black nationalism.
As far as I can tell, the situation in France today is nothing like that. These riots are not the tail-end of a peaceful, pro-French civil rights movement. They are a manifestation of raw hatred of France. The anti-French rhetoric is not the result of youthful hot-headedness or a desire to shock the French into living up to their creed (if what France stands for can be called that). It is, at least in part, the product of a religion with its own diametrically opposite creed. The leaders of the movement behind the riots aren't demanding that the French embrace them. Their objective is to transform France into an Islamic state. The intention is not to do away with the vestiges of slavery. At best, it is to preserve their ability to act outside of the constraints of law and western civilization. At worst, it is to terrorize the French until they convert to Islam, and to enslave those who don't convert.
France's situation may not be hopeless, but it's not easy to see the way out. The best hope may be that the U.S. succeeds in its efforts to transform the Middle East to the point that Muslims perceive themselves as having a stake in the democratic project (as American blacks did) and in the global economy. Ironically, France has done just about everything it can to undermine this effort by the U.S.
Posted by Paul at 07:12 PM
Short, but sweet...and, I think, hammer-worthy.
The question is how do you give a population with a 7+-child-per-family birthrate a stake in representative government without authoring your childrens' destruction?
And now they are reaping what they have sown... and I am enjoying watching it! Especially the part about Chirac taking 11 days to make a statement. What a baffoon!
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
this happened because france's support for the iraq war. oh wait.....
The French have a tradition of convulsive bloodbaths as the means of social realignment. They may decide to return to the roots.
Originally, I thought (or maybe hoped) that the French might have been allowing the riots to continue to foster discontent in the country against the current immigration situation. From what I can tell now, is that Chirac, and Villipan have allowed it to get out of control just so that they can make Sarkozy look incompetent.
Interestingly enough, there was a post on the Corner that said that some of the problems they are currently having now is because of their stance on the liberation of Iraq. The weakness that they showed was not missed by the "Arab street".
Well then, there you go.
"The best hope may be that the U.S. succeeds in its efforts to transform the Middle East to the point that Muslims perceive themselves as having a stake in the democratic project (as American blacks did) and in the global economy."
This, I gotta disagree with. They don't want a "stake" - they want total control and total domination and nothing less, IMHO.
What? Who in France said that?
We should have let the Germans have them 60 years ago.
Vici France was French, not German
I don't think that they care about the oil for food scandal. I think that the French showing weakness when it came to facing off with Iraq. The reasons that they gave made it clear that they were scared of their Muslim minority. That gave this minority strength they had not had in the past.
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