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The Crusades: The Crescent & The Cross, History Channel 11/6 & 11/7, 9PM
History Channel ^ | 11/6/05

Posted on 11/06/2005 4:06:10 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

It was the collision of two great faiths…a clash between two of the world’s most enduring and powerful religions.

A thousand years ago, they battled each other for two centuries during three Crusades, each seeking control of what they claimed as the rightful holy lands of their people.

Heroes and villains emerged, and acts of barbarism cut wounds that are still felt to this day.

This November, The History Channel travels back in time for a historical, vivid and clear-eyed look at the first three Crusades, the battle between the Crescent and the Cross, which still shapes the Middle East and relations between the two great religions in our present-day world.


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KEYWORDS: churchhistory; crusades; historychannel; muslim; passthecrescentrolls
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Turning it off. I just remembered why I don't watch much TV.


81 posted on 11/06/2005 7:45:50 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: satchmodog9

Y'all should've watched what I'm watching on Discovery. It's really quite good.


82 posted on 11/06/2005 7:48:28 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Chuck Cooperstein is a tool.)
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To: marsh_of_mists
The Christians are vicious and wild barbarians just running around committing atrocities against Muslims and other Christians. The Muslims meanwhile are all valient and worthy opponents.

They even had Christians eating Muslims!

83 posted on 11/06/2005 7:55:11 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Publius6961

History Channel just blew it when they had the professor take the children in and then Marat was referred to as "shock and awe." Marat was horrible, but HC just showed their bias. This type of tactic was not used up to this point in this production.


84 posted on 11/06/2005 7:55:27 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SW6906

I don't know. I've got it on now but it's kind of boring and I've lost interest.


85 posted on 11/06/2005 7:57:48 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: sageb1

And then they end with Bush's comment about a crusade and how disturbed the Muslims were? Give me a break.


86 posted on 11/06/2005 8:00:09 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Coleus
Articles indexed to crusades (in order of time indexed.) Post #76

Thank you!

87 posted on 11/06/2005 8:00:35 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

When is someone going to make a documentary about the Islamic Conquest of the 7th and 8th centuries? Notice that they never bother to elaborate on that bit of history, as if the Muslim caliphates just grew out of the ground of Iberia and Palestine. At least the Christians had a reason for launching the Crusades--to take back formerly Christian lands. What excuse did Abu Bakr & friends have for marching out of the desert and waging unproved war against everyone around them, other then a religious fanaticism which drove them to attempt to conquer and convert the entire world?


88 posted on 11/06/2005 8:10:28 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: marsh_of_mists

I don't think I'll bother watching this tomorrow.

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Same here. It was so anti-Christian.


89 posted on 11/06/2005 8:18:00 PM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: redgolum
I liked the creepy back-lit images of the pope and the scary chanting that made up the entire soundtrack. (Couldn't they get the Emperor's Theme from Star Wars?) The charming field trip with the little Arab kids being taught about Crusader War Crimes was cute, too. The Crusader cannabilism was a wee bit over the top for my taste, but I have to admit it fit in well.

I can't wait until tomorrow when we learn what happens when the Arabs liberate Jerusalem in the next episode. (Tonight it was left in the hands of the evil Christians.) The promos showed a smiling Moslem riding into a city with children throwing rose petals at his feet (and flying kites in the park... wait a second, that's another movie).
90 posted on 11/06/2005 8:18:32 PM PST by SalukiLawyer
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To: sageb1

And then they end with Bush's comment about a crusade and how disturbed the Muslims were?

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That's when I really started snarling at the TV.


91 posted on 11/06/2005 8:20:25 PM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: TheCrusader

I LOVE Hillary Belloc. Did you see his Five Heresies? One of which is Islam? He totally skewers Islam as a heresy of Christianity, which it is. of Catholicism. I bet his book on the Crusades is good. I think I will not watch the History Channel tonight. I just bet it is LIES.


92 posted on 11/06/2005 8:20:57 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
They even had Christians eating Muslims!

Was there any truth to that in real history?
93 posted on 11/06/2005 8:25:03 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: marsh_of_mists
This documentary is really quite biased. The Christians are vicious and wild barbarians just running around committing atrocities against Muslims and other Christians. The Muslims meanwhile are all valient and worthy opponents. I don't think I'll bother watching this tomorrow.

Who financed this lavish production? I'm serious. Where did the money come from? That certainly will explain the unabashed bias.

I need to compile how many times duplicity and atrocities by Christians are mentioned, yet not a single mention of muslim "wrongdoing" of any sort. They were freakin' saints! Regular Boy Scouts...

94 posted on 11/06/2005 8:25:21 PM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Bigg Red
I don't think I'll bother watching this tomorrow.

*** Same here. It was so anti-Christian.

I've got to watch. How else can I document their lies and distortions other than quoting the very words they scripted? and, of course, the ones they conveniently "forgot", or pretend never happened.

95 posted on 11/06/2005 8:29:42 PM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: bboop
Millions of modern people of the white civilization - that is, the civilization of Europe and America - have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it, they take for granted that it is decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a menace in the future as it has been in the past....

Hillaire Belloc - in 1938

96 posted on 11/06/2005 8:31:09 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: All

One more Belloc quote:

"It has always seemed to me possible, and even probable, that there would be
a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the
renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what
has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent....


97 posted on 11/06/2005 8:31:58 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell

Thanks for the Belloc. Any good Chesterton quotes about Islam? :-)


98 posted on 11/06/2005 8:37:44 PM PST by SalukiLawyer
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To: Publius6961

The second half of 'Kidnapped' is on Masterpiece Theater. Last week was good.


99 posted on 11/06/2005 8:41:05 PM PST by pbear8 (France is guilty of regicide)
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To: Renderofveils

get real. That was not the case.


100 posted on 11/06/2005 8:43:46 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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