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PARIS RIOTS (AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND)
E-MAIL | 11/5/2005 | ANNONYMOUS

Posted on 11/06/2005 9:49:36 AM PST by rock58seg

This is an E-mail I recieved today from a friend who has lived in europe quite some time now. He is probably the last of what I would call a true Independent, although most of the time he leans Conservative. He is very credible to me, and has even appeared on various European political shows as a pro U.S. pundit.

This is what he replied when I asked permission to put his article here. (Incidentally he know's me as Tex)

Tex:

It’s a good idea to keep my name out of it. They do have international phone directories with addresses these days. It should be passed on as something I sent you personally, as a friend (i.e. it was not written with public consumption in mind – just in case your conservative chat lines do have a wide audience).

I’d be interested in how you preface it, i.e. your own view (I suspect we are not that far off on the immigration problem at least – something conservatives seem to find more common ground on these days since the neo-con schism.)

Tex:

I lived in Aulnay sous Bois north of Paris in 1971, with a group of young people from the US, Europe and (one) Japan. Stayed there for a few months after returning from Germany to start work at CBS News, while looking for an apartment in Paris itself. There were lots of Africans (mostly north, but some sub-Saharans) already in the area then, a few of whom once mugged the American girl from our “commune” as she was walking home from the metro after work, about this time of year coincidentally. Others from our house had occasionally been harassed. This was only a few years after my old neighborhood in Brooklyn went belly up, and rioting in US cities had become commonplace. My warning to the French then (and subsequently to German friends years later when I went to work at RFE in Munich – where the so-called Gastarbeiter program was in full bloom) was that they were setting themselves up for the same kind of problems we were having if they didn’t get their immigration under control.

When I returned to live in Europe (specifically, Austria) in 1991, I saw just how much major sections of cities I once lived in like Paris and Frankfurt had been turned into ghettos by 3rd world immigrants – just like at home. Vienna wasn’t so bad, but a right-wing populist politician named Joerg Haider was making tremendous inroads by warning against Austria’s complacent immigration policy. In order to combat Haider’s growing popularity, the 2 main political parties started tightening up a bit on immigration, while at the same time bemoaning his crude, direct speech. Not long after I returned from Africa, Haider’s party became the 2nd most popular in Austria, and formed a coalition government with the main center-right Christian democrats. Upon which demonstrations broke out here and all over Europe, and Chirac and his Belgian counterpart led a movement to isolate Austria diplomatically, a movement which the US government gladly jumped on board. Hungarian immigrant Congressman Tom Lantos – Israel’s self-proclaimed voice in the US congress and the man who would (will) be chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee should the Dems again become the majority, called for a boycott against Austria.

One of Haider’s more colorful remarks was that Austria didn’t turn back two Turkish invasions of Christian Europe in order to later turn the country over to the Turks through incompetent immigration policies. Ariel Muzicant, the new head of Austria’s main Jewish lobbying organization, unlike his mature, discreet, effective and well-liked predecessor, had already embarked on a very public, media savvy campaign to warn that Haider’s anti-immigration rhetoric augured a return to Nazi-like conditions here (Haider had previously been bending over backwards to convince Jews he was their friend, despite his softball treatment of some right-wing veteran organizations). The US embassy duly broke off contact with that part of the coalition government. Muzicant on several occasions followed the new US ambassador on her periodic trips to the States, making sure Jewish groups would keep up the pressure against the new Austrian government, a pressure Muzicant felt the Ambassador might be trying to loosen through her direct talks in Washington. Because Haider – who with his potential coalition partners realized how untenable his position was internationally – allowed his charming, moderate female deputy (Susanne Riess-Passer) to take the vice-chancellor position that he would normally get as party leader, and because the center right coalition government quickly showed itself to be extraordinarily moderate, reasonable, and more market-oriented, Haider’s deputy Riess-Passer eventually got something of the red carpet treatment in Washington (it helped that she was also in favor of buying a bunch of US made fighter jets). Haider remained ostracized, started getting more radical instead of less, and eventually became outspokenly anti-US government, helping turn more of the right as well as the left against us. Haider’s party itself then broke up into radical (extreme anti-immigration) and moderate elements, with Riess-Passer and others resigning. The more moderates nevertheless held out, but the right-wing party itself was very weakened, and now the center-right, moderate, main stream party pretty much controls the government.

But: the government seems to have learned a lesson or two from events elsewhere in Europe and adamantly opposed Turkey’s membership in the EU. This has outraged the Bush Administration, which openly lobbies for Turkish membership that Austrians fear will lead to an even greater flood of Islamic immigrants here, immigrants from the most backward areas of Asian Anatolia. Austria is again on the US shit-list (how dare they not welcome the chance to enhance the country’s wonderful multi-cultural mosaic!). As if we don’t have enough enemies, little Austria is tow telling the US to shove it – to mind its own g.d. business. I forgot to mention that the US Embassy established a new position here a few years ago (after earlier having decided that - with the cold war over - we could easily merge and reduce the size of the political-economic section). The new US embassy position: a “diversity officer.” Yes, that old missionary wing of our foreign policy establishment deemed we need an American official here to enlighten Austrians on the joys of ethnic and religious diversity. Well, what the hell, there is so little else to do with all that tax money we have.

So Tex, your “Uncle Busy Body” school of foreign policy has still been very much in the ascendancy under your guru president. If he has his way, Vienna will go the way of Paris, London, Amsterdam etc. in this regard (the way major areas of US cites went long ago – but that’s OK for you I suppose; you’re a country boy at heart and don’t like cities per se). You’re all worked up about Islam – but have been crusading for our dim-wit President who has become addicted to meddling abroad, just like those ex-imperial powers of Europe who paved the way for massive immigration from their old colonies and the creation of ghettos such as in my old Aulnay sous Bois. Yes, those north Africans are doing the work that the European natives won’t do (the 50% who are not unemployed at least), so the economic argument goes, or went (familiar?), an argument that ignores the fact that countries that don’t rely on cheap 3rd World labor, like Japan, are much more apt to develop robots and other technology to do the routine work. That plus a decent wage for shit jobs can have an amazing impact on solving the labor shortage problem that ostensibly has provided an additional justification for 3rd world immigration on top of the perceived “obligations” stemming from an imperial past. It will be interesting to see how many more Iraqis the US will eventually have to provide refuge for as a result of our continued “obligation” to them stemming from intrusive attempts to save their country.

The barbarians, my friend, are inside the gates, not at the gates, something I noticed a long time ago at home as well. I don’t mean to equate immigrants with barbarians – but they have a fairly high percentage among them who don’t bring out the best among our own home-grown barbarians. Neither our Republicans nor Democrats are likely to do anything effective about the problem. Nor will Chirac or a French socialist if one eventually replaces him. The local moderate, anti-socialist government in Vienna has pretty much learned to ignore (quite a change) the intrusive platitudes from Washington policymakers. The latest Paris mess has helped shore up its resistance to the airy-fairy politically correct immigration grandstanding of the American and European political class. Margit and I still go to sleep summer nights with our door wide open to the terrace and roof (easily reachable by a potential intruder). And without a gun in the house! The already low crime rate has been declining even further. But the immigration door is far from secure, and the pressure to deal with immigration issues the way the Bushes and Chiracs of our political classes have dealt with them continues. And guys like you still think the answer is for American soldiers to prance around the world armed with incantations and bullets that will turn these medieval societies into thriving democratic economic miracles where the emigration urge will subside. Good luck!


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KEYWORDS: austria; europe; islam; paris; parisriots; riots
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To: rock58seg
And guys like you still think the answer is for American soldiers to prance around the world...

Our soldiers never prance. They walk arm-in-arm with our allies, and stomp our enemies.
61 posted on 11/06/2005 11:45:27 AM PST by motzman (Free Tom DeLay!)
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To: Smile-n-Win
I found "http://www.usembassy.at/en/embassy/culture.htm" which does talk about representing minorities so maybe there is such an officer wandering around the embassy...
62 posted on 11/06/2005 11:49:58 AM PST by cgbg (Racism is identifying, quantifying, and determining social policy by race.)
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To: cgbg

"I have commented elsewhere on this administration's abject failure to fight affirmative action and other reverse racism throughout the government. I am stunned to hear that this sickness reaches into our embassies."

Look at what Joe Wilson and some in the CIA have tried to do: derail the Bush admin's foreign policy, and possibly the presidency itself.

If Bush decides to take on the State department too, how many more leaks will come out of the cracksto undermine him?

Some day, we need a president who will take these two departments to the woodshed. It's almost like there's a counter government being conducted by some in the federal bureaucracies, and they are waging their own war.


63 posted on 11/06/2005 11:52:42 AM PST by Frank T
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To: OldFriend

And therefore blacks riot in Toledo?

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nope. different story


64 posted on 11/06/2005 11:54:23 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

"The reason bush doesn't halt the invasion coming over the US border is because he has sold out to the internationalists agenda. The Mexicans coming over the border are the frontline troops for a greater north american superstate. Now understand that the greater north american superstate is only a stepping stone to a New World Superstate and this is only a stepping stone to ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT."

Most Mexicans coming over want to be Americans.

Most muslims entering Europe want the Euros to become muslims.

There's a big difference.


65 posted on 11/06/2005 11:54:40 AM PST by Frank T
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To: Left2Right

Yes! Also don't forget the riots (pro-commie) that have happened in Argentina this week.


66 posted on 11/06/2005 11:55:58 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: Poser
One more item and you will have it nailed:

Nice long jail terms for executives and boards of directors of corporations that knowingly hire significant number of illegals.

Shorter terms should be reserved for smaller corporations.

Keep these guys in with the bad boys and away from the country club prisons and this problem should go away in a hurry.
67 posted on 11/06/2005 11:56:47 AM PST by cgbg (Racism is identifying, quantifying, and determining social policy by race.)
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To: elfman2; rock58seg; All
"It will be interesting to see how many more Iraqis the US will eventually have to provide refuge for as a result of our continued “obligation” to them stemming from intrusive attempts to save their country. "

rock, your friend makes some good points, but he has his facts wrong on this one. The truth is that Iraqis from all over the world are now returning to Iraq to participate in rebuilding the country. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan. Both countries are experiencing net "immigration", not "emigration".

68 posted on 11/06/2005 11:58:40 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: Allan

bump


69 posted on 11/06/2005 12:02:51 PM PST by Allan
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To: rock58seg
Rock, yer friend writes well on what he knows, but falls apart on what he doesn't. We all do that. The trick is to avoid THINKING that we KNOW everything (i.e. 'dim-wit' Bush likely did better at Yale, flying jets, etc than your Vienna boy did, etc.).

countries that don’t rely on cheap 3rd World labor, like Japan, are much more apt to develop robots and other technology to do the routine work.

That's wishful thinking. He's been listening to Styx too much. Mr. Roboto doesn't supply all the components for Toshiba and Sony. Mr. Taiwan, Singapore and China do, too.

Robots at GM in Michigan do not affect illegal immigration in Texas one way or another. And robots cannot place concrete like Mexicans can!

70 posted on 11/06/2005 12:12:30 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

So you've apparently heard the joke about Santa Ana arriving at the alamo with his 5000 Mexican soldiers.

Jim Bowie ask Davy Crockett, " Did you order concrete?"


71 posted on 11/06/2005 12:17:17 PM PST by rock58seg (My votes for Pres. Bush, the best candidate available, have finally borne fruit with Alito.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The US has its reasons for supporting Turkey's entry in to the EU. I notice that European countries have no trouble acting against Bush's wishes on other matters, so why don't they just go their own way on this one. Seems to me this fellow has been abroad so long that he's been infected with euro-superiority complex.

By the way, I lived in Brooklyn in 1971 and don't recall any neighborhood going belly up, whatever that means.


72 posted on 11/06/2005 12:17:58 PM PST by joylyn
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To: Frank T
I sincerely hope that future administrations fully back Turkish entry into the European Union. I hope that millions of poor Turkomans then stream throughout the continent, and undermine it. Perhaps, then, they can all go to hell.

Yeah - Let's cheer on the destruction of most of Western Civilization. Great idea.

The author is correct. Open border immigration-leftists like Chirac, Ted Kennedy, and George Bush endanger us all.

73 posted on 11/06/2005 12:21:39 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: ckilmer

It sure seems to be the case. I don't see any rational way to explain US border conditions. Dang, things just keep getting better and better. Can you imagine the socialist vote if Mexico and Canada become a part of the good ole USA?I wonder how the senate would respond to treaty ratification?


74 posted on 11/06/2005 12:27:43 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668)
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To: cgbg

The company I work for has a Vice President of Diversity. It depresses me that our government engages in the same stupidity.


75 posted on 11/06/2005 12:29:03 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: All
France, et al. should look to Turkey to learn how to handle radical Islam.

The Turkish Army has the responsibility to protect the Republic from radicals and has done it a few times.

Turkey is a country of Muslims not a Muslim country.

76 posted on 11/06/2005 12:33:07 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: Frank T
"Most Mexicans coming over want to be Americans."

Yeah, keep believing that Benedict.

77 posted on 11/06/2005 12:38:59 PM PST by Aznar5
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To: rock58seg

Eggsactly!!

Seriously, though, and I'll get flamed for this tangentially.... but mexican illegals bring, what? Mayan culture? No. They bring Spanish/Catholic culture (generally.) Aside from the dilution of wages and language, there numerous differences between Mexicans from European descent entering an America of Euro-descent -and- Islamists from Middle Eastern descent invading an isolationist Austria.

Worst case, if the reconquista occurs, we get more Catholic churches, decent food, and good beer and liquor.

If the Austrians lose their battle, their women become slaves, food goes to hell, and breweries are shut down.

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And why the heck is it MY COUNTRY's fault that THEY signed up for the EU in the first place? Remember the E.E.C? That was not supposed to be open borders, but just tariffs and stuff. YOUR FRIEND'S COUNTRY is responsible for allowing the EEC to bloom into the insidious EU....not me and GW!


78 posted on 11/06/2005 12:40:10 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: GermanBusiness

I fail to see how giving people the right to vote will equate to some sort of policy that equals the respect of other cultures. Muslims will vote to support their culture, not ours.


79 posted on 11/06/2005 12:42:35 PM PST by yut
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To: Nuc1; dagnabit
I have a solution to the president's lame duck second term.

Make George W. Bush the presidential nominee of the PAN.

He's done more for Mexico than any of those tools helping Vincente Fox push that country even further into the toilet than it already is ever have, and has benefited Mexicans more than Santiago Creel could ever hope to.

Plus, he would probably have a much better shot at defeating Manuel Lopez Obrador.

It would be killing two birds with one stone.

80 posted on 11/06/2005 1:10:09 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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