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Democrats: Deceit made us back war
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 11/06/05 | Dick Polman

Posted on 11/06/2005 8:29:56 AM PST by Fintan






 



The Democratic party appears to have finally come up with a way to explain why so many of its elected leaders gave President Bush the authority to wage war in Iraq.

Three simple words: "We were duped."

A parade of top Democrats have contended in recent days that they would have been antiwar in 2002 had they known then what they now believe to be true: that the Bush administration manipulated the intelligence in order to build a bogus case for war. In pursuit of that theme, Senate Democrats on Tuesday successfully demanded that their GOP colleagues quit stalling and finish a long-promised investigation that could determine whether the war planners were dishonest.

Many Democrats believe it's good politics these days to say that they were lied to. This message, actually a rite of confession, is designed to help their erstwhile pro-war politicians get back in sync with the party's liberal antiwar base. That's especially important for some of the original pro-war Democrats who want to run for president in 2008. After all, liberal voters tend to dominate the Democratic primaries, and they're expecting to hear apologies.

Hence, Sen. John Kerry (who wants to try again) said in a speech on Oct. 26: "The country and the Congress were misled into war. I regret that we were not given the truth... knowing what we know now, I would not have gone to war in Iraq." Hence, Tom Daschle (the deposed Senate Democratic leader, who is weighing a campaign) said in a speech Wednesday that senators voted incorrectly because "on so many fronts, we were misled."

At least four other Democratic senators who voted to authorize war have use the dupe argument in recent days, including Christopher Dodd of Connecticut (who periodically voices White House ambitions) and Tom Harkin of Iowa (who now calls his war support "one of the biggest voting mistakes of my career"). And once having confessed, these Democrats believe they have sufficient credibility to call for the phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

But not all the prominent Democrats who voted with Bush have embraced the dupe message. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton - who continues to exasperate the liberal base - hasn't renounced her vote; when asked about it the other day by NPR, she dodged: "I can't talk about this on the fly; it's too important." Sen. Evan Bayh, another presidential hopeful, hasn't renounced. Former Sen. John Edwards, another prospective candidate, hasn't renounced. Sen. Joe Biden hasn't, either.

Their reticence might stem in part from awareness of the George Romney rule of politics: Gullibility is not a character asset for a presidential candidate.

The late George Romney (father of current Massachusetts Republican Gov. Mitt Romney) was the anointed front-runner of the 1968 GOP presidential race - until he tried to explain, in a radio interview during the summer of 1967, why he had renounced his previous support for the Vietnam war. The Michigan governor complained that, while visiting the hot zone, he had been duped by the brass into backing the war:

"I just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get when you go over to Vietnam. Not only by the generals, but also by the diplomatic corps over there, and they did a very thorough job."

Romney plummeted in the polls, and his candidacy soon evaporated; voters didn't like the idea of electing someone who admitted he was capable of being fooled. And, as many political observers argue, that's the lesson for Democrats today.

Charlie Cook, a Washington analyst who runs the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, said Friday: "If Democrats want to argue that the administration misrepresented and distorted the prewar intelligence, OK, that's one thing. But if they push the argument that they have been duped, fooled and victimized - well, to a lot of [independent swing] voters, they're just going to come across as weak."

The Romney rule is also invoked by moderate Democrats who see Iraq as a noble cause. Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the Democratic Leadership Council, warned on his blog the other day that the Democrats "are positioning themselves as a party that is gullible, feckless, and indecisive... beware of the long-term impact on the party which already suffers from a perception of being weak on national security."

But David Sirota, a liberal antiwar activist and organizer, contends that the Romney rule is irrelevant today, because of the public's broad-based opposition to the Iraq war. (Most Americans still generally supported the Vietnam war at the time Romney committed his gaffe).

Sirota said Thursday: "Obviously, the [dupe] message needs to be played properly. But most Americans already believe that Bush misled the country" - polls support his contention - "so it makes perfect sense for Democrats to say they too were misled... . They followed tradition and gave the benefit of the doubt to a president on a national security issue, and they were lied to. That doesn't mean they were stupid. They were being patriotic.

"And rather than just apologize for being misled, Democrats need a message of outrage. Make the argument that this administration deliberately manipulated the intelligence."

That message is dismissed by critics as paranoid; Wittmann calls it "Michael Moore territory." But the Republican Senate leaders did promise, back in February 2004, that it would investigate whether the war planners had been deliberately dishonest. Asked in October 2004 (before the election) why that key question had not been resolved, Kansas Sen. Pat Roberts replied: "We simply couldn't get that done with the work product that we put out." Then, eight months ago, Roberts said the probe had been put "on the back burner."

Early last week, Senate Democrats employed a parliamentary maneuver to force a showdown over the sluggish probe; as a result, a progress report will be issued within the next several weeks. Liberal bloggers were thrilled by this rare act of boldness; in the words of Philadelphia-based billmon.org, it was a treat "watching the Democratic jellyfish rear up on its hind tentacles and sting someone."

If the GOP report concludes that the Bush team manipulated intelligence, it would buttress the Democratic message about being duped. But the party's strategy could fail anyway. There is always the possibility, as some Democrats say privately, that the report will exonerate Bush, leaving Democrats to merely complain that there must have been a whitewash.

And the dupe message may be only as good as the individual messenger. Kerry, in his Oct. 26 speech, declared that "as I said more than a year ago," he would not have voted for the war if he had known about "the Bush administration's duplicity." Yet, on Aug. 9, 2004, he said he would have still voted to authorize Bush even if he had known in advance that no mass weaponry would be found. Those statements don't necessarily contradict each other, but a fresh round of Kerry nuances may not boost his fortunes.

Clearly, gaining traction on Iraq is a Democratic imperative. Bush may be tanking in the polls, but Democrats have barely moved the needle their way. In the words of party pollster Stan Greenberg, summarizing his late-October numbers, "Democrats have not made noticeable gains on thinking long-term... knowing what they stand for, or being trusted to keep America safe."

As for the 2008 race, Charlie Cook suggests a way for Democrats to dump the dupe message entirely: "By 2008, there will be a tremendous constituency for a candidate who can argue clearly that the war was always a mistake. Forget all the senators. The answer for Democrats is to nominate a governor, somebody who never had to vote at all on the damn war."








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To: hflynn

".... but she can't win."

That's what what a lot of people said in '92 about her husband, after the draft lies and "smoked-but-didn't-inhale" dodge - unfortunately, anything can happen in politics.


41 posted on 11/06/2005 9:26:11 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Fintan

Kerry was against the war before he was for it...


42 posted on 11/06/2005 9:27:10 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: don-o
I think so. Now that I look at that statement again, it does seem to be a bit Hannityesque. To be honest, I don't listen to him or watch his Fox show very often.

Unbelievable, isn't it? ;)

43 posted on 11/06/2005 9:27:56 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: canuck_conservative
That's what what a lot of people said in '92 about her husband, after the draft lies and "smoked-but-didn't-inhale" dodge - unfortunately, anything can happen in politics.

Fortunately 1992 was last century news. The MSM was able to put Clinton in the White House in 1992. Today the MSM in the USA is in free fall. By 2008 the MSM might not be able to get a dog catcher elected in Jerk Water, USA.

44 posted on 11/06/2005 9:33:13 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: Fintan; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; MurryMom
Three simple words: "We were duped."

Does that make Cindy Sheehan smarter than Hillary?

45 posted on 11/06/2005 9:37:01 AM PST by Libloather (Geena Davis isn't man enough to play Hillary on TV. Heck, BILL isn't man enough to play Hillary...)
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To: Fintan
"We were duped."

In other words, we are to incompetent to do our jobs.

46 posted on 11/06/2005 9:39:05 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Fintan
Democrats are one of three things:

- truly behind the war effort, just displeased with certain decisions (a legitimate argument)

- lying sacks of doo-doo

- incompetent boobs "duped" into something as grave as voting for war

47 posted on 11/06/2005 9:48:33 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Fintan
""We were duped.""

No they weren't, they were brainwashed and now they are braindead.

48 posted on 11/06/2005 9:52:14 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Fintan

Lying sacks of craap . Only the most retarded Liberals will fall for this. I guess Clinton was duped for 8 years while he said Bin Laden was so dangerous. It pisses me off when these Dem buttwipes insult my intelligence with crap like this.


49 posted on 11/06/2005 9:52:45 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Fintan

The impotent dems are readying their little campaign to impeach President Bush. They must think people have short memories. Clinton was saying the exact same things about Iraq that Bush said before we went to war.


50 posted on 11/06/2005 9:56:01 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: Fintan
The Kerry strategy...
"I voted for it before I voted against it.. "- john kerry..

Which is quite logical to a democrat.. or a RINO..

51 posted on 11/06/2005 9:56:46 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Fintan

Two-and-a-half years after the fact, Dems are sayig we were duped. Did they not have access to the same intelligence the Admin did? If you come out and say you were duped, aren't you admitting that you are unqualified to be a US Senator?

Regardless of that, the battle is joined, and armchair qb'ing almost three years later does nothing to help the situation on the ground now. What do they hope to gain from these false claims? Tremendous progress has been made in Iraq. Do they want to just throw that away? Never in the history of the nation has a side of its leadership acted so shamelessly in pursuit of power, and even in a borderline treasonous fashion.


52 posted on 11/06/2005 9:59:19 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Lexington Green
the dems are wartime traitors
53 posted on 11/06/2005 10:00:16 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

The Dems were trying that line at the 96.3 All-Stars debate with O'Reilly and Hannity last night. The crowd would have none of it.


54 posted on 11/06/2005 10:04:57 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Fintan

Well, deceit does lie behind most all of their actions, so wouldn't it be logical?


55 posted on 11/06/2005 10:16:09 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

LOL...the 'rats are in dire straits...they think Bush is in political trouble??? He hasn't fought back yet. When he does, they'd better look out: each one of 'em will be looking so freaking foolish, it won't even be funny.


56 posted on 11/06/2005 10:51:10 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: festus

Thats a great assessment


57 posted on 11/06/2005 11:01:50 AM PST by Xcoastie (If you think education is expensive, try ignorance)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
So, the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee don't actually look at intelligence - they just wait for Bush to give a speech and then recommend doing whatever he tells them to do?

You got it. This seems to be their new excuse. As laughable as it is.

I wonder how Bush talked them into supporting the policy of regime change in Iraq which Clinton signed in 1998.

George Bush is a pretty persuasive guy!

58 posted on 11/06/2005 11:43:30 AM PST by Jorge (Q)
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