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France hit by a burning rage
Timesonline ^ | 11/06/05 | Matthew Campbell

Posted on 11/05/2005 4:59:26 PM PST by Pikamax

France hit by a burning rage Matthew Campbell, Aulnay-sous-Bois

A FEW days ago Georges Bigot, a French firefighter, was standing with colleagues on a street in a suburb of Paris waiting for reinforcements to help put out a fire started by rioters. Suddenly a television fell out of the sky in front of him.

It had been heaved over a balcony eight floors up and shattered on the ground. “Have you ever seen a television exploding on the pavement?” asked Bigot wearily as he stood under a light drizzle. “Well, it gave me quite a shock.”

As he spoke, thick clouds of smoke billowed from a textile warehouse set ablaze the previous night by another gang of youths, mainly of north African and black African origin, in this shabby suburb north of the capital. Firefighters who had tried to put it out during the night were pelted with stones.

“We’re used to stones,” grinned Bigot as blaring sirens echoed off the walls of giant concrete tower blocks built in the 1960s and 1970s to house the first immigrants. “Household appliances are a bit more dangerous. A falling television or a toaster, it could kill you.”

Bigot, 30, was on the front line in an increasingly desperate battle yesterday as the worst street violence seen in France for more than a decade spread from the Paris suburbs to other cities, with 250 people arrested and 900 vehicles torched overnight. This was the highest nightly total in a spate of rioting that followed the death 10 days ago of two youths apparently fleeing from the police.

Last night the rioters returned, setting cars on fire in several suburbs, and burning down a nursery school in Grigny, south of Paris. Arsonists also attacked a recycling plant in Essonne.

Trouble was reported in Strasbourg, in eastern France, Rennes, Rouen and Lille in the northwest and Nice, Toulouse and even peaceful Avignon in the south. Among a series of incidents in the Paris region, two nurseries, one in Yvelines and another in Bretigny-sur-Orge, were set on fire on Friday night along with a school in Seine-et-Marne. In Meaux, a town east of the capital, youths threw Molotov cocktails at paramedics, whose patient was taken to hospital under police escort.

The Foreign Office urged British holidaymakers to be “extremely vigilant” in riot-hit areas. America warned its tourists to keep away from troublespots.

After an emergency cabinet meeting yesterday, Nicolas Sarkozy, the tough-talking interior minister, warned rioters that their actions could “cost dear in terms of sentences”. But he also promised to tackle the causes of violence, conceding that there were “a certain number of injustices in some neighbourhoods”.

France’s media and its politicians have portrayed the rioting as a form of protest against poverty, racial discrimination and the desperation felt by immigrant families who live in the cités — the grim housing estates erected a generation ago, often near big factories, to accommodate a booming immigrant population.

Attacks against firefighters or ambulance crews trying to save immigrant families from the flames suggested something more perverse than despair, however, and the divided government seemed at a loss over how to deal with the problem.

“Without question what is taking place bears all the hallmarks of being co-ordinated,” Yves Bot, the Paris public prosecutor, said yesterday. “The way things are organised is in response to a strategy, with mobile tactics employed by youths who turn up on scooters, throw a lighted bottle at a vehicle and then leave.”

France has often tried to ignore the malaise in what police call “sensitive districts” or, collectively, “the zone”, a world far removed from the picturesque French tourist trail of restaurants, wine and historic monuments.

In these underprivileged pockets the burning of cars on a Saturday night is for many young men a popular sport and rite of passage that seldom makes news. According to one estimate, about 30 cars are burnt every Saturday night in suburbs across France.

The sheer scale of last week’s clashes, however, made them difficult to ignore, particularly with the government acknowledging that it might deploy troops to prevent gangs from marauding through the affluent heart of Paris, a chilling prospect for a city that has come to regard its burgeoning immigrant community on the other side of the ring road as the barbarians at the gate.

Aulnay-sous-Bois is only a few miles from the Eiffel tower but last week parts of it resembled Baghdad. The Renault car dealership looked as if it had taken a direct hit from a car bomb. Black, twisted bits of metal were scarcely recognisable as the remains of vehicles waiting to be sold.

“Well, that’s just great isn’t it,” said Manuel Pires, 55, a Portuguese immigrant surveying the wreckage. “What do they think they’re playing at? They’ve just put all of these garage employees out of work. Talk about shooting yourself in the head.”

Pires, a driver who is married with two grown-up children, has some sympathy for Sarkozy, who raised eyebrows last week by referring to the troublemakers as “scum” that needed to be hosed out of the estates.

The interior minister may have been “a bit direct”, Pires said, “but let’s face it, we do need a bit of order around here. None of the other politicians seems prepared to confront reality. The gangs have taken over. It is a question of restoring law and order”. Several thousand Aulnay residents, singing the national anthem, took to the streets yesterday demanding just that.

Not everybody agreed with Pires. Arguments from politicians across the spectrum about the root causes of violence have multiplied with the hurling of each firebomb.

France’s Muslim population has swollen in recent years to an estimated 6m — 10% of the total population — as people from the Middle East and north Africa have crossed the Mediterranean in search of work and a better life. That percentage could easily double in the next 20 years and compares with about 1.5m — or less than 3% — in Britain.

The ugly, often poorly maintained, blocks of public housing in which many live are a testament to 40 years of government policy that concentrated immigrants and their families in well-defined districts, often in the vicinity of big factories that attracted the first generation of grateful immigrant workers.

Today these districts on the outskirts of Paris and other cities have become hotbeds of joblessness and crime — a parallel society with its own laws in spite of the lip service that government officials continually pay to the notion of integration. Women are often forced to wear veils. In one district a municipal swimming pool was persuaded to offer a period of “women only” bathing each day to satisfy a fundamentalist imam.

Police, meanwhile, were told to “tread softly”. They seldom set foot in the quartiers chauds, or “hot districts”, until Sarkozy arrived on the scene. He introduced the “zero tolerance” policing that was famed for taming the badlands of America: police began stopping and searching youths on the streets and conducting raids in the housing estates.

“They are sometimes frisked up to 10 times a day,” said Dounia Bouzar, an expert on French-born Muslims. “Given the way these kids live, I wonder why it (the rioting) doesn’t happen more often.”

Michel Lereste, a social worker, said that resentment felt by many young immigrants had been crystallised by the deaths 10 days ago of two youths electrocuted in a power station where they had hidden after wrongly thinking they were being chased by police.

The ringleaders are well known to police from previous clashes and many have served jail sentences. Others appeared to join in “for fun”, snapping photographs of burning cars with mobile phones in between throwing stones.

In Le Blanc Mesnil, a Paris district, last week Hassan, a 15-year-old schoolboy, claimed his cité was involved in an “intifada” against French authorities — a reference to the Palestinian uprising against Israel in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. “The violence won’t stop until Sarkozy resigns,” he said.

That seemed unlikely and in the end Sarkozy may suffer less from the riots than Dominique de Villepin, the prime minister and his chief rival in the race to succeed Jacques Chirac as president in 2007.

Sarkozy’s tough language against the rioters will at least win him support on the right, while de Villepin did not help his cause by losing his temper with MPs who were critical of his handling of the affair.

As pressure mounted on the government, de Villepin, who was forced to cancel a trip to Canada, met a group of 15 young people from the Paris suburbs on Friday night to discuss ways of restoring calm.

There were concerns, according to some analysts, that the biggest beneficiaries of the latest explosion could be extreme right-wing politicians such as Jean-Marie Le Pen, head of the National Front party, who wants to put an end to the “Islamisation” of France.

Despite his blunt rhetoric, Sarkozy does not come anywhere near that. He has adopted a subtle two-pronged approach — a kind of Gallic “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime” — that has wrong-footed his critics. Besides advocating a crackdown he is also proposing affirmative action to help young people.

They probably need it. Jean-François Amadieu, a university professor who has studied discrimination, sought to demonstrate it by sending out fake applications for jobs. He found applicants with addresses in “difficult” areas received half as many invitations to an interview as those from more salubrious districts.

Some, nevertheless, have made it. Jamel Debbouze, a comic actor famous for his cracks about life on the estates, has become one of France’s best-paid entertainers; Faiza Guène, a 19-year-old from an Algerian family, has embarked upon a lucrative literary career with a debut novel whose heroine was described as “a Bridget Jones teenager of the suburbs”.

Too often, however, the fame of women from the estates is built on tales of horrific abuse. Samira Bellil, another young woman of Algerian origin, has written a book about being subjected to repeated gang rapes, a sickeningly common crime. On one occasion she was dragged off a crowded train by a gang of youths who wanted to rape her. Nobody lifted a finger to help.

“Terrible things are happening here,” said Mohammed Bouheiri, an elderly vegetable seller chatting with friends on a street corner. “The government must not neglect us.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; islam; mooligans; muslims; parisriots
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To: Pikamax

Cars being destroyed daily in France and the price of gasoline getting lower every day locally. Coincidence?


21 posted on 11/05/2005 5:39:09 PM PST by FDNYRHEROES (Liberals are not optimistic; they are delusional.)
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To: nwrep

Do not wish for France to lose. It will be really bad if they do.


23 posted on 11/05/2005 5:44:47 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: tomahawk

"France is too stupid to exist. In a few decades, the mass beheadings of French men and women with spines will begin"

France does seem to have a history of beheadings. Better dust off the guillotines, its a much nicer way to lose your head than a sword or saw.


24 posted on 11/05/2005 5:50:36 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: HangnJudge

Excellent. The caption on the image is very appropriate.


25 posted on 11/05/2005 5:50:48 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Others have died for my freedom — now this is my mark." Cpl. Jeffrey Starr, USMC)
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To: anthraciterabbit

Many if not most are french citizens. Where could they be sent ? Devil's island went out of business.


27 posted on 11/05/2005 5:52:39 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD

To the Africa/Middle East Turd World nations from whence they and their ancestors came.

If a murderer marries into your family, you can divorce him.

If murderers become citizens, strip them of citizenship and send them away.


28 posted on 11/05/2005 5:59:39 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: Izzy Dunne

How about sending in the French army... Oh that's right; they'd probably surrender enmasse.


29 posted on 11/05/2005 6:12:03 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Pikamax
“They are sometimes frisked up to 10 times a day,” said Dounia Bouzar, an expert on French-born Muslims.

How many police would it take to frisk all the kids in these estates 10 times a day?

30 posted on 11/05/2005 6:14:22 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Jalapeno
Do not wish for France to lose. It will be really bad if they do.

No it won't. It should wake up the rest of the world to the threat of islam. I can think of no better nation to sacrifice for the greater good than the ungrateful, lying, corrupt nation of france. Good bye and good riddance.

31 posted on 11/05/2005 6:16:24 PM PST by bfree (Liberals are evil and should be eliminated)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"Let them eat cake..."

32 posted on 11/05/2005 6:19:53 PM PST by Snardius (The seventh seal has been broken, the goat entrails point toward gotterdamerung, it's on.)
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To: Pikamax

A "burning rage"? Perhaps it's a burning rash. Although I disagree with French politics, as I often disagree with American politics, I do not rub my hands together with glee as neighborhoods burn.

I think, perhaps, the French are tasting the bitter reality of the Islamic war against the "infidels". I wonder if the French are surprised given their "support" for Islamic causes?

We must remember that France did assist the colonists during the American Revolution. Not only that, the actions of Muslims in France is proof that this behavior will continue.

For those who insist that Muslims who take such action are brainwashed by Islamic extremists, are we so certain of that...or is it that these participants are willing?


33 posted on 11/05/2005 6:22:51 PM PST by Seizure
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To: Pikamax
In his recent book New Glory Ralph Peters states:

"Don't bet on a weak, pacifist Europe doing nothing as the immigrant time bombs within explode. . . . Behind all the America scolding and empty swagger Europe is uncertain of its future. And afraid. And when Europe is uncertain and afraid, its impoverished immigrants and neighbors best start worrying. . . . If its racist populations feel sufficiently threatened by the Muslim millions within . . . Europe may respond with a cruelty unimaginable to us today. After all, Europe is the continent that mastered ethnic cleansing and genocide . . . . We Americans may find ourselves in the unexpected position of confronting the Europe of tomorrow as we try to restrain its barbarities toward Muslims."

Tomorrow may arrive sooner than Peters thinks. There are also riots going on in Denmark, and Holland is ready to blow. I personally doubt that the Europeans will react as Peters predicts--I think they are likely to respond in a craven fashion and slouch towards dhimmitude. But I wouldn't rule it out.

34 posted on 11/05/2005 6:23:45 PM PST by financeprof
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To: bfree

"Do not wish for France to lose. It will be really bad if they do.

No it won't. It should wake up the rest of the world to the threat of islam. I can think of no better nation to sacrifice for the greater good than the ungrateful, lying, corrupt nation of france. Good bye and good riddance."


Thank God you're not the President. France got nukes. You sure you want muslims to get a hold of it?


35 posted on 11/05/2005 6:24:45 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: vbmoneyspender
Le Pen hates the United States almost as much as he hates the Islamists.

That's okay. We'll appoint Pat Buchanan as ambassador to France, thereby getting him out of the country AND annoying Le Pen.

36 posted on 11/05/2005 6:26:01 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: financeprof

This fire has been smoldering for some time. I lived in Europe roughly five years ago. I watched as covered Muslims were stared down with icy cold stares in grocery stores. I had my neighbor ask me not to show our house to any Muslims and had other neighbors warn me when my children played with some Turkish kids at the park one day. Many of the Europeans have known all along -- but I don't think they knew it was going to come to fruition this quickly. Hell, I didn't think it was going to pop this early.


37 posted on 11/05/2005 6:28:44 PM PST by riri
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To: Accygirl

The French Gendarmerie Nationale has some of the
best SWAT operators in the world. They train with
US, British, German and Israeli anti-terorist
units. I seriously doubt anyone here would dare
call them surrender monkeys to their face.


38 posted on 11/05/2005 6:32:59 PM PST by rahbert
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To: riri

if there is one thing EU can get away with is get their hands bloody, and get away with it.

If the US try that, the EU would scream.

I think if europeans get REALLY push to the wall Rwanada will be nothing compare to what europeans are capable of.


39 posted on 11/05/2005 6:35:47 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Pikamax
“They are sometimes frisked up to 10 times a day,” said Dounia Bouzar, an expert on French-born Muslims. “Given the way these kids live, I wonder why it (the rioting) doesn’t happen more often.”

People choose to riot.

40 posted on 11/05/2005 6:37:42 PM PST by syriacus (Youthful angst of "Bowling for Columbine" + political passion of "Fahrenheit 9/11" = MOOLIGANs)
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