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Give us money or our jobs back: ex-Saddam officers
Khaleej Times ^ | 5 November 2005

Posted on 11/05/2005 2:52:19 PM PST by ncountylee

BAGHDAD - About 100 officers from Saddam Hussein’s disbanded army on Saturday demanded proper retirement benefits or jobs in Iraq’s new military force.

The officers, of various ranks and from around the country, made their demands at a meeting with with President Jalal Talabani on the occasion of the Eid Al Fitr holiday.

Iraq’s army was dissolved in a controversial move by US overseer Paul Bremer after US-led forces invaded the country in 2003.

The cashiered officers have since received a small, symbolic payment from the government.

On Saturday the call was extended to include former non-commissioned officers and warrant officers.

“Those officers of the old army who served their country honestly and who deserve consideration and respect are unfortunately victims of the whims of the state,” Talabani, a Kurdish resistance hero, said at the end of the meeting.

“I call on the goverment to treat with respect these officers who sacrificed so much for Iraq,” he said. “It is their right to claim an adequate pension.”

In Iraq’s parliamentary system, Talabani’s office is not as powerful as that of Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari, a member of Iraq’s Shiite majority.

Some of the protesting officers asked for jobs in the new army.

“That will be done according to the recruitment conditions,” Talabani said. “We will be able to benefit from their experience.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqiofficers
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1 posted on 11/05/2005 2:52:20 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

In most instances a "proper retirement" would involve a firing squad. Perhaps they should crawl back under their rock.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 2:53:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ncountylee

How about their heads in a box?


3 posted on 11/05/2005 2:54:16 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: DoughtyOne

Might be a good sign, no long term prospects with the other side.


4 posted on 11/05/2005 2:54:44 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

First signs of the "ENTITLEMENT CULT"!
Nip it in the bud, shoot the barstards!


5 posted on 11/05/2005 2:56:24 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yeah, be careful what you ask for, you just might get that "proper retirement."


6 posted on 11/05/2005 2:57:10 PM PST by gate2wire
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To: ncountylee

You mean the NYT turned them down too? LMAO


7 posted on 11/05/2005 3:07:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ncountylee
Iraq’s army was dissolved in a controversial stupid, shortsighted move by US overseer Paul Bremer after US-led forces invaded the country in 2003.
8 posted on 11/05/2005 3:09:44 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

The army was dissolved because the Shiites and Kurds demanded it as a condition to participating in the new government. He really didn't have any choice.


9 posted on 11/05/2005 3:13:56 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: ncountylee

Have the hundred form their own little unit and put them at the front of any fighting to remove terrorist.
If they are willing to fight for Iraq, fine. If they are bad, you shoot them.


10 posted on 11/05/2005 3:17:26 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bnelson44
The army was dissolved because the Shiites and Kurds demanded it as a condition to participating in the new government. He really didn't have any choice.

I know that hindsight is 20/20, but didn't it occur to Bremer or anyone else at Defense that dissolving the entire Iraqi army and leaving everyone in the country with military training at loose ends with no income might be a bad idea?

11 posted on 11/05/2005 3:19:30 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: TexasTransplant

"How about their heads in a box?"

I couldn't have said it better. Our people have died to make sure America and WE are okay.. The #$%% with these guys.



12 posted on 11/05/2005 3:22:52 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

By the time that was figured out, we had the insurgency. Then Bremer was replaced. Lots of mistakes are made in war. Look at WWI, WWII and Korea.


13 posted on 11/05/2005 3:23:23 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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By the time that was figured out, we had the insurgency. Then Bremer was replaced. Lots of mistakes are made in war. Look at WWI, WWII and Korea.

It's aggravating because it's so bloody obvious. We contacted them before the war, bribed some of them not to fight and promised that they'd either keep their jobs and/or get a generous retirement. Then we threw them out in the street during the equally idiotic "DeBaathafication" phase of the occupation.

Given how costly the Sunni insurgency has been, in the long run it might well have been cheaper to export the officers and their families to retirement homes in the Caribbean.

What I'm wondering now is if these bozos asking for pensions now are just homebodies who aren't connected to the Sunni insurgents, or if they're a stalking horse for the officers who did join the insurgency.

The first idea that comes to mind is to give them decent-paying jobs training troops in the new Iraqi Army and see where that leads.

14 posted on 11/05/2005 3:37:40 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
I don't think the mass looting and the subsequent insurgency was obvious. If it was, more people would have warned against it.

I don't know of anyone prominently warning that this would happen. Maybe I missed it.
15 posted on 11/05/2005 3:39:02 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Also, at the time there was a real danger of a Shiite insurgency. And the Kurds had very active militias.
16 posted on 11/05/2005 3:39:53 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: bnelson44
I don't think the mass looting and the subsequent insurgency was obvious. If it was, more people would have warned against it.

I think that Gen. Shinseki had an idea that things were going to be a lot rougher than the Administration thought (hoped?), but he was forced into retirement in 2003 shortly after making his views public.

While I'm not going to adopt the Democrat talking-point that the Administration had "no plan" for the occupation, I will say that the plan that they had going in was inadequate and that I don't think that they adapted to the reality of what was going on in Iraq until it was too late to stop the insurgency.

17 posted on 11/05/2005 3:48:36 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: ncountylee

Give them a new job digging up mass graves with their bare hands.


18 posted on 11/05/2005 3:50:35 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: bnelson44
Also, at the time there was a real danger of a Shiite insurgency. And the Kurds had very active militias.

True, but the Kurds were (still are, I think) pro-American and while the Shiites don't have much use for us, they can count. In a democracy, Shiites will make-up the majority of the electorate. The Shiite plan was to simply wait us out and take over. And if we killed a few hotheads like al Sadr while we were at it, so much the better.

19 posted on 11/05/2005 3:52:08 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

Don't be fooled by the alliance with the Kurds. There are different tribes with different loyalties. But in the long run, Kurds are only loyal to Kurds.


20 posted on 11/05/2005 3:56:12 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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