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1 posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:36 PM PST by jmc1969
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McCain's an idiot if he thinks this is going to help his chances of becoming president.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 1:29:13 PM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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Good! Another nail in the McCain '08 Campaign coffin.
3 posted on 11/05/2005 1:29:31 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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Stupid idea. There's a suitcase nuke planted in NYC. We catch the perp who set it up, but can't torture him to devulge the location beofere we lose a city. And I guess sleep deprivation is "torture" now too.

Don't bother running for president, McCain.


4 posted on 11/05/2005 1:29:58 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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The no-torture wording, ......"cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment"...

Can't wait to see what qualifies as "cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment".

6 posted on 11/05/2005 1:32:37 PM PST by moehoward
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He has been brainwashed in 'Nam. His thinking is a little bit addled.

He needs to resign and go to a nursing home. After all, this is the "Be kind to dumb animal week!"

8 posted on 11/05/2005 1:33:26 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you!)
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At least we know the old fool aint running for President.
9 posted on 11/05/2005 1:33:35 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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What makes me really sick in the stomach is not just the provision but also the fact that there is no political price to pay for promoting this disgusting provision.

When will people really wakeup and smell the threat of terrorism?


11 posted on 11/05/2005 1:37:17 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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McCain vows torture ban in (all) Senate bills

Dammit. How else can we make them stop spending so much money!

12 posted on 11/05/2005 1:39:08 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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Americans don't use torture, so codifying it into law should be no problem.


13 posted on 11/05/2005 1:39:46 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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Speaking from the Senate floor, McCain said, "If necessary - and I sincerely hope it is not - I and the co-sponsors of this amendment will seek to add it to every piece of important legislation voted on in the Senate until the will of a substantial bipartisan majority in both houses of Congress prevails. Let no one doubt our determination."

Taxation and loss of personal freedom then apparently isn't a concern for Senator MCain.

14 posted on 11/05/2005 1:40:28 PM PST by EGPWS
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Maybe the good Senator should tell us what he did or revealed under torture by the Communists in Vietnam......or perhaps tell us what the Communists recorded of Mr. McCain's behavior while a prisoner, which they haven't released but informed him of its existence...

SOMETHING must explain McCain's and Kerry's despicable behavior during the hearings on Vietnam's POW/MIA Senate "Hearing"...

McCain is compromised and still responding to his "inquisitors" in my honest opinion..

Semper Fi
16 posted on 11/05/2005 1:42:15 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Then DEFINE TORTURE!!!!!!

His bill leaves it up to any judge to decide any time that anything is "torture".

Oh, and it bans "degrading" treatment- what can't a judge do with that?


The sniveling idiot.

20 posted on 11/05/2005 1:44:48 PM PST by mrsmith
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"Let no one doubt our determination."

It's not your determination that's in doubt, John.


21 posted on 11/05/2005 1:44:48 PM PST by Anselma (MSM: leaders in Whirled News.)
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(A FEW YEARS BACK. IN AN OPERATING ROOM)

Doctor 1: Uh oh, we are going to have to take a good chunk of his temple out.

Doctor 2: This guy is a Senator. I hope he retires because this may mess his head up.

McCain (regaining consciousness): I would have had them if not....

Doctor 1 (snapping fingers): Senator McCain! Hello. Can you see me?

McCain: For the strawberries! I would have had them but for the strawberries.

Doctor 2 (screaming): Eiiiiii!!!!!!!!!

Doctor 1: Gads! He's grabbed your crotched and is playing with your privates! He' trying to roll them around in his hand!

McCain: They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the Senate wardroom icebox did exist......

Doctor 1: Run!!!!!

22 posted on 11/05/2005 1:47:09 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Eternity? Smoking or nonsmoking?)
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Not a McCain fan, but he's right on this one. Torture is against Geneva conventions. Close the "enemy combatant" loophole. We are America, and we are above treating POWs like that.

Never thought I'd agree with McCain on anything, especially after his anti-tobacco boondoggle in the late 90s that led to a regressive "settlement" tax on lower income smokers. But when you are right, you're right, and any form of torture should not have the American stamp on it.

I know I disagree with most of you on this, and I do so respectfully.
25 posted on 11/05/2005 1:49:02 PM PST by mysterio
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If the bill doesn't closely define what is considered torture, then I'm against it. We don't need another statute with vague phrases in it that any lawyer can play with. I'm opposed to most forms of torture, but this is ridiculous.


26 posted on 11/05/2005 1:49:52 PM PST by popdonnelly
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Watch McCain go overboard on this issue. He is receiving little or no support for his presidential run. They blame it on his age but he bears grudges and can't handle his wish for some sort of cheap revenge.


31 posted on 11/05/2005 1:52:37 PM PST by shrinkermd
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McCain's the flower of the Senate....






He's a blooming idiot!

34 posted on 11/05/2005 1:59:49 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Seems Like Our Press Has Turned Against Our Country")
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McCain's brain is in la la land. I understand how he suffered - and why he cannot forget it. But, he must understand that torture can be a real effective tool in war and other situations. His brain has turned to mush.
Tell you what, if I thought I could save 100 people by making somebody hurt a bit in order to find out how to help, I would do it in a minute.


36 posted on 11/05/2005 2:02:09 PM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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Interesting that McCain identifies with the terrorists.


39 posted on 11/05/2005 2:04:53 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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