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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

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To: floriduh voter
Thanks for the information, floriduh voter. I hadn't realized Bobby was in another building.

That makes me think, even more, that Mikey may have had extra keys made.

One of those visitors (or a friend of the visitor) could have let themselves into Terri's place that night. Maybe it was arranged for Michael to be at work when that person confronted Terri.

Michael may have been in shock, when he arrived home and he realized she was injured, yet alive. He would have needed extra time to think over his alibi.

I wonder if it is possible that Terri's "collapse" lasted 6 hours or more.

Michael may have been threatened by the fact that Terri was gaining confidence in her attractiveness. Maybe he was hoping to make her jealous of him, by subtly letting her know other women were willing to have affairs with him.

901 posted on 12/15/2005 8:17:12 AM PST by syriacus (People who seem "nutty" can STILL be dangerous bombers -- Edw. Leary firebombed NYC subway 1994)
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To: 8mmMauser
Bill of No Rights

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a "Bill of No Rights".

ARTICLE VI:
You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

902 posted on 12/15/2005 8:47:34 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: floriduh voter

BUMP to #878


903 posted on 12/15/2005 9:28:50 AM PST by Dante3
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To: BykrBayb

Bill of Lefts, or is the opposite of Right Left or Wrong?

I can think of executions more cruel than the Old Sparky, thinking of the kindnesses recently visited on Crip Tookie.

Would dehydrating be too cruel?

8mm


904 posted on 12/15/2005 9:36:44 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Would dehydrating be too cruel?

Cruel? It's painless and merciful. You just drift happily away. You look beautiful. You are at peace. We heard all of these assurances in glowing terms from Horse Felos and Horse Schiavo.

905 posted on 12/15/2005 12:26:49 PM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, Abba's "dancing queen" & telemarketers)
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To: syriacus

Actually, Schiavo handed out three extra apartment keys -- one to Ted Bundy, one to O.J. Simpson and one to a shadowy figure named "Tookie." Does this help your theory that Mikey didn't do it?


906 posted on 12/15/2005 12:34:46 PM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: 8mmMauser
Would dehydrating be too cruel?

Not at all. It's euphoric!

907 posted on 12/15/2005 12:43:22 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: andysandmikesmom
>> so long as the person is dead...

That's the question I spoke to. Once, we all knew what "dead" meant. But in the 1960s, with organ transplants becoming possible, a committee at Harvard proposed that "brain death" (irreversible coma) was the same as "dead." The whole point of this new definition was to allow them to carve up people with still beating hearts -- people who were NOT dead by the older and universal understanding -- in order to harvest healthy organs. That, of course, stopped the beating heart.

It's a kind of cannibalism. The people who do it can rationalize the morality by saying, "OK, we kill a hopeless patient, but it is to help another patient, or several, who have a chance to recover." That sounds good enough if one believes "any means to an end" is moral. I disagree completely. The Commandment says "Thou shalt not kill," not "Hey, killing people is OK if you're doing it for a good cause and making a lot of money for the hospital."

908 posted on 12/15/2005 12:58:32 PM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: T'wit

Now, I have never personally seen the definition of brain dead used to include someone who still had brain wave function(A layman might say so, but a doctor knows the difference between someone being really brain dead, and someone just being in an irreversible coma)...an irreversible coma would not necessarily be the same thing as brain death...I have taken care of people in irreversible comas, or in vegetative states...no doctor would ever call them brain dead...

Usually to be declared 'brain dead', there must be complete cessation of brain wave function(even minimal brain wave function indicates life)...unless you are saying that people with minimal brain wave function are being used as organ donors, which would of course be wrong...

But people who really are brain dead, can be placed on a ventilator, and the ventilator will keep their heart beating...the ventilator does what the dead brain can no longer do...now, ventiltors serve a purpose for those who need assistance breathing...but if someone is actually brain dead, the ventilator does nothing more than keep a heart beating in a person who is actually 'dead'...

If someones brain is completely non-functioning,(no brain wave activity), then that person is dead...the ventilator used to keep their heart beating, will never ever cause them to become 'alive'...

Someone who is truly brain dead(absolutely no brain wave activity, ever), is dead...nothing anyone does will ever make them live again...someone who has minimal brain wave activity, is not dead and should not be called dead...

But once someone is brain dead, harvesting their organs will not make them any more dead...they were already dead...harvesting the organs of someone who still has brain function would be murder...harvesting the organs of someone who is really 'brain dead', would not be murder...


909 posted on 12/15/2005 1:23:29 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

I, too, used to think that logic prevailed in the medical community. Your logic is sound. What is faulty is the belief that your logic is not routinely violated.


910 posted on 12/15/2005 2:05:12 PM PST by DadsGirl ("Come to Me all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Jesus Christ)
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To: T'wit
How about every time CONDI RICE tells world leaders that the United States does not torture anybody.

I guess they forgot to tell CONDI about TERRI.

911 posted on 12/15/2005 2:28:57 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: syriacus

Remember Terri told her girlfriend that she was going to go to bed and pretend to be asleep with HINO came home. Does that fit with your scenario?


912 posted on 12/15/2005 2:37:05 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Theodore R.
I get so ticked off every time Jack Harris opens his mouth about issues he's so uninformed on. I bet Hospice is putting his kid through college with his radio spots that are nothing more than "aw shucks folks, hospice woodside is just a great place."

We know otherwise. They took better care of the popcorn machine on fire than they did when Terri was on fire from lack of fluids.

913 posted on 12/15/2005 2:40:16 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Dante3
First Civil Union couple break up due to domestic abuse.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/15/D8EGT8A80.html

914 posted on 12/15/2005 2:47:25 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: 8mmMauser
Your 891 about "activist judges". The guy who wrote in the Miami Herald that "Greer dutifully followed the law" (b.s. the blind sheik judge greed broke many laws before he dutifully mandated the death of an innocent woman who was not terminally ill nor in a coma) is an aclu operative. Worth repeating because it's at the very bottom of his writings.

Excerpt: "Howard Simon is executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida."

915 posted on 12/15/2005 3:26:05 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: syriacus
A good rant on a big nobody:

http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2005/12/schiavo_truth_a.php

916 posted on 12/15/2005 3:32:48 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter

Thanks for the link to the great column, floriduh voter. I'm adding it to my bookmarks.


917 posted on 12/15/2005 8:41:56 PM PST by syriacus (People who seem "nutty" can STILL be dangerous bombers -- Edw. Leary firebombed NYC subway 1994)
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To: T'wit
Michael insists he was asleep when Terri collapsed, so how can he swear he was the only person present when she "collapsed"?

Michael would not want to be seen standing in the way of people trying to determine what really happened to Terri. Michael can't object to a little bit of investigation, if the investigators are trying to find out if his "beloved" Terri was harmed by other humans.

Michael and his cohorts insist he didn't do anything to Terri, so why not start there and ask if anyone might have harmed Terri?

I'm not saying Michael isn't involved. I'm saying that a few "outside of the box" questions might shake up the stalemate.

918 posted on 12/15/2005 9:05:18 PM PST by syriacus (People who seem "nutty" can STILL be dangerous bombers -- Edw. Leary firebombed NYC subway 1994)
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To: syriacus
>> Michael can't object to a little bit of investigation,

Nor would I, but this isn't investigation. It's making up stories without an ounce of evidence. This one -- the old "mystery intruder" story that we've all heard a dozen times from the likes of O.J. Simpson -- is painfully lame.

It's also preposterous on the face of it. We are to believe the Mystery Intruder took a healthy young woman out of bed without waking her husband, killed her silently out in the hall, and vanished before her husband -- awakened by the very sound of her fall -- rushed to her side?

Right. Try that one in court and hear the laughter.

You start your story from things Michael has said, but he's the suspect. He's not to be believed. He changed his account every time he testified about it. That is a liar at work.

919 posted on 12/16/2005 5:13:33 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: T'wit
That is a liar at work.

I realize Michael is a liar.

Where's the harm in asking him questions from a new point of view and watching for his response?

He'll be making public appearances and reporters' questioning the"grieving" husband about his guilt will be considered tacky.

I admit that it would take a brave reporter to ask a "lame" question about the possibility of an intruder.

But, you'll have to admit, it sure is an "attention-getting" question.

Even if it gets mocked, the question gets noticed.

920 posted on 12/16/2005 5:45:16 AM PST by syriacus (People who seem "nutty" can STILL be dangerous bombers -- Edw. Leary firebombed NYC subway 1994)
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