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French Muslim leader asks for 'respect'
AFP ^ | AFP

Posted on 11/03/2005 2:31:19 PM PST by Eurotwit

PARIS, Nov 3 (AFP) - One of France's most prominent Muslim leaders Thursday urged the state to show "respect" for his community, after a seventh night of battles between angry youths and police in high-immigration suburbs of Paris.

Speaking to faithful in the Paris mosque, Dalil Boubakeur, president of the French Council for the Muslim Religion, said Muslim immigrants deserved better than their current lot.

"Our immigrant brothers in Paris and in France must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings," not in "disgraceful squats", Boubakeur said, referring to the low-income suburbs where the trouble has broken out.

"This is our hope, this is our wish and is an

address to the French authorities, to (president Jacques) Chirac who is a friend to Muslims, a friend to Islam," he said.

"The community deserves respect because it is respectful, young people need to find the way back to calm, our mosques need to be respected," Boubakeur said.

The firing of a police teargas canister at a packed mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois, epicentre of the violence that has affected more than a dozen Paris suburbs since last Thursday, added to the community anger at the weekend.

France is home to Europe's largest Muslim community, estimated at around five million people.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurabia; eurotrash; insurgency; moops; parisriots; religionofpeace; uprising
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To: eleni121

"They burn, maim, butcher, even crucify non muslims."

Who has been burnt, maimed, butchered or crucified in Seine-St. Denis?


61 posted on 11/03/2005 3:22:50 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: eleni121

"Al Qaeda is behind this. It's part of the strategy to bring the West to its knees."

Al Qaeda stages mass-murder attacks.
It does not stage street protests in which nobody gets killed.


62 posted on 11/03/2005 3:23:52 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
On the 8th day of riots in Seine-St. Denis, nobody's dead.

That has more to do with them being lousy shots than respect for life. Or hadn't you heard about the rioters shooting at police and firefighters?

63 posted on 11/03/2005 3:27:11 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Eurotwit

""Our immigrant brothers in Paris and in France must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings," not in "disgraceful squats", Boubakeur said""

They should start in their home countries, like Iran , Pakistan , Afghanistan etc...

Have all the shacks and slums been cleaned up in those "muslim" countries?

These people are without a clue.


64 posted on 11/03/2005 3:31:05 PM PST by Peace will be here soon ((Liberal definition of looting: "Self-help Humanitarian Aid."))
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To: LexBaird

Four random shots.
After 8 days of riots.

Those shots could have killed somebody, but clearly there's not a mass, armed movement going on here.

France is now experiencing what America experienced with the blacks in the 1960s. The American approach was to give the blacks political control of major cities, allowing them to have their own sources of patronage, affirmative action, and expanding the American government to provide them with jobs. This was decided to have been the better course than a civil war.

And in France it will be the same way.

The obvious solution is to bring down the barriers of exclusion. This is a warning shot. Like the Americans, the French will heed it.


65 posted on 11/03/2005 3:31:13 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Peace will be here soon

"They should start in their home countries, like Iran , Pakistan , Afghanistan etc..."

The home country of the rioting youths of Seine-St. Denis is France.


66 posted on 11/03/2005 3:31:55 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Eurotwit

bump


67 posted on 11/03/2005 3:33:06 PM PST by VOA
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To: Eurotwit
"Our immigrant brothers in Paris and in France must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings," not in "disgraceful squats", Boubakeur said,...

Will the French even see anything wrong with this statement? "Gimme, gimme, gimme. You owe me. It's your fault I'm poor." That's one side of the Muslim coin which most of those socialists probably agree with. Now they're seeing the other..."You didn't see it our way so now we'll burn you to the ground."

68 posted on 11/03/2005 3:33:44 PM PST by TigersEye (When I think of you, undistracted by creations of sin and virtue, I choose to stay in love.)
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To: oh8eleven

Show me a muslim who does not advocate the destruction of infidels, and I'll show you an infidel as defined by the Koran.

As long as the basic tenet of Islam is the destruction of infidels either through conversion or physical assault in order to establish a worldwide caliphate, anyone who calls Islam a religion instead of a violent, mysogynistic, thieving and murderous cult is an idiot.

Since it is obviously NOT a religion by definition, it deserves NO PROTECTION under our Constitution. It would suit me fine if the Saudis cut off our oil tomorrow. Paying $10/gallon for gas would be a small price to stop lying to ourselves.


69 posted on 11/03/2005 3:35:37 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: mmercier

The violence makes it clear they don't deserve respect.


70 posted on 11/03/2005 3:35:54 PM PST by TigersEye (When I think of you, undistracted by creations of sin and virtue, I choose to stay in love.)
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To: LexBaird
>> The only thing that bullying can force is the hiding of the contempt under a layer of fear.

"The challenge to prosperity is precisely that predatory violence does pay well in many circumstances. War does change things. It changes the rules. It changes the distribution of assets and income. It even determines who lives and dies. It is precisely the fact that violence does pay that makes it hard to control."

James Dale Davidson/Lord Rees-Mogg "The Great Reckoning"

All political power stems from the capacity for violence and the willingness to use it to further ones goals. If you do not believe this then you have no concern if the Second Amendment is repealed and all private firearms are removed.
71 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:12 PM PST by mmercier (for such there is no home, no refuge anywhere)
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To: Vicomte13

Do you think the reason they are "excluded" from employment (other than the fwench job security apparatus) might have something to do with a month off for Ramadan, prayers interrupting work five times a day, and most people not having the stomach to endure employment with the lazy and intolerant prigs?


72 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:40 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: Vicomte13

You're not seriously comparing American blacks and their experience to French Muslim immigrants? Were the Muslims forced to come to France and live there? Were they ever slaves? Does France have Jim Crow type segregation laws?


73 posted on 11/03/2005 3:41:32 PM PST by TigersEye (When I think of you, undistracted by creations of sin and virtue, I choose to stay in love.)
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To: Eurotwit

How about a 12 gauge enema full of respect.


74 posted on 11/03/2005 3:46:03 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: mmercier
All political power stems from the capacity for violence and the willingness to use it to further ones goals.

And the measure of respect you earn stems from the level of reason and restraint you use in applying that force.

If you do not believe this then you have no concern if the Second Amendment is repealed and all private firearms are removed.

Ultimately I do not have any concern if the 2nd A. is repealed and firearms are banned. The Constitution does not grant me the right to keep and bear arms. That right is inherent in my existence as a human being.

MOLON LAVE

75 posted on 11/03/2005 3:47:02 PM PST by TigersEye (When I think of you, undistracted by creations of sin and virtue, I choose to stay in love.)
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To: Eurotwit
Theodore Dalrymple tells the uncomfortable truth:

Muslim immigrants and their descendants are more likely to be poor, to live in overcrowded conditions, to be unemployed, to have low levels of educational achievement, and above all to be imprisoned, than other South Asian immigrants and their descendants. The refusal to educate females to their full capacity is a terrible handicap in a society in which, perhaps regrettably, prosperity requires two household incomes. The idea that one is already in possession of the final revealed truth, leading to an inherently superior way of life, inhibits adaptation to a technically more advanced society.

76 posted on 11/03/2005 3:47:45 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: Vicomte13
Those shots could have killed somebody, but clearly there's not a mass, armed movement going on here.

First, you stated that the rioters didn't compare to the LA riots, because, "There, the respect for life disappeared." Now, you admit the muslim rioters could have easily killed someone. Not to mention the use of stones and fire. 8 days of rioting in 10 cities seems pretty "mass" and "armed" to me. Care to move the goalposts again?

77 posted on 11/03/2005 3:49:32 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: oh8eleven
>> Willing to bet your life? This is just the beginning and I've got a feeling you're going to be one of the first casualties.

I bet my life every day as you do by living. I am no symph as far as radicals of any stripe go; you must kill those who intend to kill you.

That given as a moral imperative I still believe the vast majority of Muslim's, especially the ones who are getting out of their home countries, are amenable to western civilization. America is not Europe, our culture is corrosive and absorbs all within a generation regardless of culture, religion or mania.

The same shit was said about every immigrant group, including mine.

I stick with the 80 - 20 rule, it works; 80% are good, 20% are bad. it works with all things, people, fish, tomatoes, inventories... whatever.
78 posted on 11/03/2005 3:50:26 PM PST by mmercier (for such there is no home, no refuge anywhere)
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To: Vicomte13

Al Quaeda and its allies does anything it can to bring confusion and violence to its enemies.

Where have you been?
Somewhere in the sand perhaps?


79 posted on 11/03/2005 3:51:26 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Eurotwit

Tie a rocket to his butt, if he outruns it he can stay, if he does not outrun it, well....


80 posted on 11/03/2005 3:51:50 PM PST by cynicom
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