Picky female frogs drive evolution of new species in less than 8,000 years

UC Berkeley News Center ^ | 27 October 2005 | Robert Sanders

[RightWhale]

Huxley got everybody off the trail. Evolution doesn't imply progress, just that it is possible.

[js1138]

[highball]

The problem is this example doesn't support the idea of a higher level species with new features, evolving from a lower level species.

No, the "problem" is that evolution doesn't have to be from a "lower level species" to a higher one. That's either a misunderstanding or a "misstatement" of what evolution is.

[highball]

I am not really sensitive. Just impatient with people who are less than truthful. But being an evo, you just can't help it.

Excuse me? Which side just got caught lying on the witness stand again? And which side refuses to condemn the pattern of lying by school board members in this case?

By the way, have you decided yet if you support or condemn lying to advance creationism? I would have thought it a simple question, yet you still refuse to answer.

[mlc9852]

Lying is wrong. However, since I haven't read the court transcripts and depositions, I can't comment but will trust your interpretation.

[Quark2005]

Just impatient with people who are less than truthful. But being an evo, you just can't help it.

True. I wouldn't want to violate the conspiracy oath I took with Darwin Central to suppress creationism from mainstream science. The men in black helicopters might come for me.

[savedbygrace]

The timeline summarized in the article seems to be based on assumptions, which are based on interpretation of evidence that isn't presented in the article.

So, based on what we see here, there is no way to draw a conclusion WRT evolution. Do you know of any source material that you could link for us to study further?

[mlc9852]

I KNEW it!

[bert]

A simultaneous French study determined that the legs of the southern male tasted pretty much like chicken whereas the legs of the northern male had a stronger flavor akin to duck.

It was also determined that the hybrid tadpoles destined to never reach maturity were especially tasty when coated with a truffled bernaise sauce. The rarity of the hybrids in the wild has made the dish outrageously expensive in Paris 5 star gourmet establishments.

Both varieties however succumbed to slowly rising water temperature in the same manner. Neither variety issued the distinctive mating call while experiencing hot water.

[flevit]

ahh how dare I ask for pesky demostrations past the species level, blessed are those who believe but do not see!

[aimhigh]

No, the "problem" is that evolution doesn't have to be from a "lower level species" to a higher one. That's either a misunderstanding or a "misstatement" of what evolution is.

So sustained mutation without improvement is considered evolving. You say evolution now has evidence, but the evidence doesn't support the goal, which is to support the theory that man evolved from apes. Sounds like a liberal argument using apples and oranges.

[Junior]

How do you know the researchers based anything on assumptions. You haven't read the actual paper these guys submitted. Anything "based on assumptions" is going to be destroyed during peer review.

Do you know how the scientific method works?

[js1138]

ahh how dare I ask for pesky demostrations past the species level, blessed are those who believe but do not see!

If 8000 years is an eyeblank for the evolution of a frog species through sexual selection, how long do you think it generally takes for a new genus to appear? Why should this be an observble phenomenon?

[Junior]

You really don't understand evolution, do you?

[highball]

Lying is wrong. However, since I haven't read the court transcripts and depositions, I can't comment but will trust your interpretation.

That's a rather slippery answer, but I'm glad that you're at least starting.

Are you refraining from all comment on this case until you finish reading the transcripts?

[Junior]

What's to stop new species from eventually shading over to new genuses (geni?)?

[furball4paws]

I think the Kingdom of Heaven is coming soon.

[mlc9852]

You really don't understand the Bible, do you?

[mlc9852]

LOL

[Junior]

I do. I just think that, if an interpretation of Scripture conflicts with reality, it is the interpretation of Scripture that is wrong. To think the other way is the very definition of insanity.