Picky female frogs drive evolution of new species in less than 8,000 years

UC Berkeley News Center ^ | 27 October 2005 | Robert Sanders

[mlc9852]

So you don't think evolution means descended from one common ancestor? Great! I can agree with that!

[Quark2005]

I just worry about what is taught in local schools here.

Cool. Why not just go all-out and push for flat-earth creationism? That's the one I'm rooting for. The earth must be flat - how else can angels preside over the four corners of the earth, like God told Isaiah?!

[flevit]

you should look up word "idiom"

do you really believe the "sun rises"?

[flevit]

from a YEC point of view

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i2/speciation.asp

[mlc9852]

I don't care about the YEC point of view. Why do you?

[Junior]

I would put this article under *adaptation* not evolution.

What, pray tell, do you consider "evolution?" Evolution simply means change within a population over generations. That is exactly what happened here.

[savedbygrace]

Other than smaller males and males having a different mating call, what other differences are there between the two?

[DoctorMichael]

"Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate."

Very apropos tagline.

[Junior]

Hmmmmmm, this guy may not believe in intelligent design, but he definitely believes in intelligent frogs practicing eugenics.

Not really. It's not a conscious decision on the female frogs' parts, just as it isn't a conscious decision on the parts of the girls who simply had no desire to go out with you.

[Quark2005]

Yeah, I believe the earth is flat and I believe you're a moron.

My, are all creationists this sensitive?

[Junior]

One frog species gave rise to another frog species. That's SPECIATION. But, just keep moving those goalposts; soon you won't even be in the arena.

[Junior]

ouch horrible and grammer and typo's...ohwell

You owe me a new keyboard.

[Lurking Libertarian]

It's still a frog. It did not turn into a salamander or a snake. I would put this article under *adaptation* not evolution.

It is a different species of frog. Evolution is all about The Origin of Species. If it turned into a salamander or a snake, that would disprove evolution.

[Junior]

Evidently the two groups do not mate and can therefore be considered separate species.

Remember, "species" is simply a human term for a range of data points along a spectrum. Are lions and tigers separate species? Are horses and mules?

[aimhigh]

You'd think that one example of something that evolved would be the final nail in the coffin

The problem is this example doesn't support the idea of a higher level species with new features, evolving from a lower level species. Lateral evolution occurs, but that doesn't disprove creation.

[Quark2005]

do you really believe the "sun rises"?

No, but Joshua did.

[mlc9852]

I am not really sensitive. Just impatient with people who are less than truthful. But being an evo, you just can't help it. I really should have more sympathy for you and your kind I suppose.

[flevit]

so speciation can be demonstrated, now on to the genus level..any similar example?

[mlc9852]

A frog is a frog is a frog. What is your point? Did the frog sprout wings and fly? No? Hmmmm.....