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Board member to resume testimony in 'intelligent design' trial
Times Leader (Wilkes-Barre, PA) ^ | 02 November 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 11/02/2005 3:35:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A school board member who was questioned by a federal judge about discrepancies in his testimony on the purchase of "intelligent design" textbooks was expected to return to the witness stand Wednesday.

Dover Area School Board member Alan Bonsell was to undergo redirect questioning by an attorney representing the board in a landmark trial over whether intelligent design can be introduced in high school science classes.

Bonsell testified Monday that he had received an $850 check from fellow board member William Buckingham. The check was made out to Bonsell's father, who volunteered to donate copies of "Of Pandas and People" to the district.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III asked Bonsell why he never shared that information in a January deposition when he was repeatedly asked under oath about who was involved in making the donation. Bonsell, who served as the board's president in 2004, said he misspoke. [Note to school board lawyers: When the judge asks your client why he's lying, it's usually not a good sign.]

Buckingham testified Thursday he collected $850 in donations to help purchase the books during a Sunday service at his church.

The board is defending its October 2004 decision to require students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact," has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to the textbook for more information.

Eight families are suing to have intelligent design removed from the biology curriculum because they believe the policy essentially promotes the Bible's view of creation, and therefore violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

Intelligent design supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

The trial began Sept. 26 and is expected to conclude on Friday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bearingfalsewitness; creationisminadress; crevolist; dover; rwc1tempertantrum
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To: RightWingNilla

I'll leave the link to the deleted #64 for a while. I'm too lazy to spend much time with this guy's material.


121 posted on 11/02/2005 11:14:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: longshadow

Ssssh. He's a Darwin Central infiltration agent. In fact, i've been meaning to suggest he tone it down a bit. Even a creationist is unlikely to be this furiously and crudely ignorant.


122 posted on 11/02/2005 11:14:21 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (A creationist conjugates: I misspeak, you fabricate, he lies....)
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To: longshadow
Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to cajungirl
On News/Activism 10/31/2005 10:21:48 AM EST · 553 of 556

Lindsay Graham is queer?!!

Hey that ain't fair as thet was me twigging cajungirl's tail over her reaction to someone else. Context is everything, like not ripping "wall of separation" from Jefferson's Danbury letter either and claiming that atheism is the official state religion.

123 posted on 11/02/2005 11:20:56 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
124 posted on 11/02/2005 11:29:14 AM PST by USConstitutionBuff
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

The entire letter. What context is taken out?

Reply of Thomas Jefferson:
Messrs. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins & Stephen S. Nelson
A Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association in the State of Connecticut

Gentlemen:

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association assurances of my high respect and esteem.

Thomas Jefferson
January 1, 1802


125 posted on 11/02/2005 11:35:51 AM PST by USConstitutionBuff
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To: PatrickHenry

After further review of the "Selected Highlights" in #118, I have the strangest feeling that we've seen something just like this somehwere before...... hmmmmmmm; I wonder who it could have been......


126 posted on 11/02/2005 11:41:16 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Mandrake: No. No, I don't, Jack. No.

Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

127 posted on 11/02/2005 11:44:21 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: aNYCguy
When democratically elected local school boards start teaching Islam, a flavor of Hinduism, or some other religion that's not your particular favorite, you'll have no problem whatsoever?

He (or she) has already made it abundantly clear that there is a clear double-standard here, set in place by the Maryland State Supreme Court of 1796, which cannot be overruled by any laws or Constitutional directives, be they in another state or at the Federal level
128 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:58 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

What an amazing coincidence.... I knew the material in #118 was familiar......

129 posted on 11/02/2005 11:54:15 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Mandrake: Jack... Jack, listen, tell me, ah... when did you first become, well, develop this theory.

Ripper: Well, I ah, I ... I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Mandrake: [sighs fearfully]

Ripper: Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

Mandrake: Yes...

Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

130 posted on 11/02/2005 12:00:31 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry
Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake.

Followed by Everson v. Board of Education (1947)

131 posted on 11/02/2005 12:01:28 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: narby

LOL.

I'll freepmail the official address. I am FSM's designate on FR (regardless of what anyone else says).


132 posted on 11/02/2005 12:07:27 PM PST by dmz
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To: longshadow

Gen. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.


133 posted on 11/02/2005 12:12:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Jesus Christ may or may not belong in public schools.

However, that which is not empirical science does not belong in a class on empirical science.


134 posted on 11/02/2005 12:13:56 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: PatrickHenry
Gen. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

If I didn't know better I'd say those two are the SAME PERSON!

What an amazing coincidence!

135 posted on 11/02/2005 12:21:18 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Ripper: Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

Mandrake: Well, no I... I can't say I have, Jack.

Ripper: Vodka. That's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?

Mandrake: Well I... I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: On no account will a commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

Mandrake: Oh, ah, yes. I don't quite.. see what you're getting at, Jack.

Ripper: Water. That's what I'm getting at. Water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, you realize that.. seventy percent of you is water.

Mandrake: Uhhh God...

Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.

Mandrake: Yes. [chuckles nervously]

Ripper: You beginning to understand?

Mandrake: Yes. [chuckles. begins laughing/crying quietly]

Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?

Mandrake: Well it did occur to me, Jack, yes.

Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water?

Mandrake: Ah, yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: Well do you now what it is?

Mandrake: No. No, I don't know what it is. No.

Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

136 posted on 11/02/2005 12:28:24 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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between the various "nazi commie monkey-worshipper" comments and the Dr.Strangelove excerpts used to lampoon them... this must be the most ridiculous CREVO thread ever.


137 posted on 11/02/2005 12:38:01 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: longshadow

He do have a way with words.


138 posted on 11/02/2005 12:50:18 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: longshadow
I have uncovered a monumental conspiracy!!!

A letter has come into my hands. Here is part of it showing how huge this conspiracy is and how far reaching it is.

(exerpted):

"Dear Pope: 1593 A.D.

As you know I have been researching the history of Man..........It has come to my attention that the word 'human' is not Latin, but Sanskrit, from 'hanuman' the well known Hindu monkey God......... We all know that in Hindu theology, we rise by levels until we reach the deity. My research conclusively shows that the deity is Hanuman. In other words our existence here on Earth is part of our becoming one with a monkey.............I urge your holiness to cover this up. If it becomes popular knowledge the Earth will descend into chaos and turmoil...................

Yours, Prof. Fribbitz

FR University (located on an island somewhere off the coast of Transylvania)"

Unfortunately the pope at that time (late 1500's) was too busy with the French and English and Germans to do much, but his secrtetary made sure to change the definition to "humanus" from "Hanuman". The Catholic Church is part of this great conbspiracy!

The next stage is an old Victorian goof named Charles Darwin. He promulgated a theory that we descended from monkey and ape like ancestors. Fortunately the Vatican's strong arms got to him before he said we were all monkey's Uncles.

Recently the DNA sequence of Hanuman's (oops!, humans) and Chimp's have been determined. Once again the Vatican strong armed these people into saying we are only 98% similar. The truth is we are 100% the same.

This letter is crumbling before my very eyes, but the truth must be told.

WE ARE NOT DESCENDED FROM MONKEYS - WE ARE MONKEYS!.

Creationists and Evolutionists alike will both be astounded by this. We must tell the truth. When you achieve perfection and become one with the deity you will look like this:

http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian_epics_and_stories/the_life_of_hanuman.htm

139 posted on 11/02/2005 12:50:19 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: longshadow
Regarding Rightwing Conspiratr1 -- folks should read up on the md4bush fiasco. When someone looks too bizarre to believe, perhaps they aren't what they pretend to be.
140 posted on 11/02/2005 12:50:46 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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