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France is Burning (Muslims burn Paris; MSM ignores it to protect Religion of Peace)
Strategy Page ^ | 11/1/05

Posted on 11/01/2005 7:25:23 AM PST by pabianice

POTENTIAL HOT SPOTS: France Is Burning

Items About Areas That Could Break Out Into War

November 1, 2005: France is burning. For most of the last week, there have been nasty riots in the Parisian suburb of St Denis, complete with fires and many casualties. This area is home to about 500,000 Moslems. Many largely Moslem suburbs of Paris, and other large cities, have become no-go zones for the police, and anyone who is not of Middle Eastern origin. Over the last three decades, generous social benefits and immigration policies have left France with a Moslem population of some five million (about eight percent of the population.) High rise housing for them was built on the outskirts of major cities. Most of these Moslems did not try to assimilate, and by maintaining their old country culture and language, they made it more difficult for their kids to get jobs. Among the old school customs practiced is attacking, and even murdering, girls who do not conform to a "Moslem" style of behavior. While jobs may be lacking, crime and social welfare payments are not. So peop! le can live without jobs, and make a little extra with some crime on the side. But when you have a lot of people participating in, or just condoning, criminal behavior, you have a very dangerous place for outsiders. Officially, the government condemns this sort of "profiling," but a look at crime statistics shows that high rates of robbery, murder and rape tend to coincide with Moslem areas. There are unofficial maps on the Internet, where French citizens can check about where not to get lost the next time they go for a drive.

Meanwhile, the high crime rates in the Moslem neighborhoods has been spilling over into non-Moslem areas, and there has been a major outbreak of anti-Semitic attacks on Jews, and Jewish targets (synagogues, cemeteries, Etc.). It's not only become embarrassing for the government, but it's become a political issue. So the Interior Ministry has established special police units to try and reduce the crime rate in the Moslem areas. That has led to the recent rioting, arson, injuries, and advice by French traditionalists to just ignore the French Moslems. Leave them alone. Ignore them. Just like France has been doing for decades. Let the counter-terrorism police take care of any hotheads. But for the moment, the Interior Ministry is run by law-and-order types, and they are determined to at least own the streets in Moslem areas. So France burns.


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To: Red Badger
France is about to learn a very painful lesson. Open your doors to every third world type and you become them. They don't become you.

At least they have a door. Our borders are wide open. Our Hispanic population (around 15%) is greater than the Muslim population of France, around 10%.

121 posted on 11/01/2005 8:36:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

I think I heard or read that France's Muslim Population was 15-20% now. The Muslimes are now flexing their muscle.........


122 posted on 11/01/2005 8:38:23 AM PST by Red Badger (Spies are the most important asset, because on them depends an army's ability to march. - SUN TZU)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Sadly I'm counting on muzzy riots coming to every city in the Western world. That's what it will take to wake people up.


123 posted on 11/01/2005 8:39:08 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: jackson29; NorseWood

In 1974, Boumedienne, the former President of Algeria (where many of France's moslems originate), said in a speech at the U.N.:

"One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory."

It's been said the France will be majority moslem in 20 years. Boumedienne knew what he was talking about.


124 posted on 11/01/2005 8:39:13 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Muslims represent just 8% of the population of France. Even if they triple that, it would still only be 24%. They aren't taking over.

You have no idea how this type of situation unfolds, do you? A minority group does not need to "take over" anything in order to have an enormous influence on the socio-economic structure of a country -- they simply need to become large enough to exert influence on the political process.

24% of the population is a huge number. Even half of that is a huge number -- especially if they are concentrated in certain geographic areas. Just look at how much our own political climate has been shaped by a black minority that has always been around 12% of our population.

125 posted on 11/01/2005 8:40:08 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Nonsense. Muslims represent just 8% of the population of France. Even if they triple that, it would still only be 24%. They aren't taking over

It is a matter of demographics. The immigrant population is reproducing at a higher rate. The indigenous French, like the rest of Europe, is reproducing at less than replacement levels. The combination of rising immigrant birth rates and declining native French birth rates, will hasten the day that Muslims become a majority of the population. It is just a matter of time if the current trends continue. It is not only a matter of birth rates but a failure of the Muslim population to assimilate.

126 posted on 11/01/2005 8:41:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: wideawake

Mais pourqois?
Je ne sais pas pourquois.
Parce qu'il y a Muslim?


127 posted on 11/01/2005 8:41:52 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Alberta's Child

I can't remember the exact number, but IIRC, the Bolsheviks took over Russia with about 2% of the population.


128 posted on 11/01/2005 8:42:30 AM PST by Skooz (If you think Hitler was a Christian, you are a blithering idiot.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

They are producing 1/3 of the children, 20 years from now that 1/3 is 1/3 of the 20 year old adults. With the history of the French military in mind, who will win a civil war, the 2/3 surrender monkeys or the 1/3 Satan worshiping butchers?


129 posted on 11/01/2005 8:43:42 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY
What does Methylsulfonylmethane have to do with any of this?

Assuming that your question is serious - 'MSM' is a common abbreviation (at least around here) for Main Stream Media. Also frequently identified as 'Old Media', "Dinosaur Media', or 'Lame Stream Media' (LSM).

130 posted on 11/01/2005 8:45:52 AM PST by Bob
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To: B4Ranch

What a stupid remark.


131 posted on 11/01/2005 8:46:20 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Arpege92
"I can't help but think of Canada going down like this. "
Add America to that - right now there is a HUGE migration of whites from New York state to Northern Virginia because New York is rapidly being invaded by Muslims.
132 posted on 11/01/2005 8:49:43 AM PST by afz400
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To: MrNatural

One of my favorite articles on this. Thanks for posting the whole thing here.

It should be widely read.


133 posted on 11/01/2005 8:51:59 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: justshutupandtakeit; pointsal; badbass

pointsal & badbass don't think

Come to Paris, France.
Come see the preview of what will happen in America.

is a stupid remark. Why do you?


134 posted on 11/01/2005 8:52:09 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date on the oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"In the 1960s there were only about 350,000 North-African Muslims living in France, with some 1.25 million French living in North Africa. Since then, the notion of "colonialism" has completely reversed. There are almost no French living in North Africa, but the number of Muslims of African or Middle-Eastern origin in France is estimated at 4 to 10 million. The exact number of legal and illegal immigrants is unknown, for the sole reason that French statisticians are not allowed to collect information on ethnic and religious patterns of population."

"Nevertheless, some estimates suggest that one in three births in France occurs in a Muslim family. That would explain, among other things, why France has a much higher birth rate (about 1.7 children per woman)(Note: Now 1.9) than Spain or Italy. Stripped of this influence, the French birth rate would be around 1.2 children per woman, which is a figure similar to those in the countries of South and East Europe."

Where Have All the Children Gone?

135 posted on 11/01/2005 8:52:44 AM PST by kabar
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To: pabianice

I wonder how one says "cheese eating surrender monkey" in Arabic.


136 posted on 11/01/2005 8:53:36 AM PST by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Red Badger

No one knows for sure because they can't collect statistics showing religion. There are also plenty of illegal immigrants.


137 posted on 11/01/2005 8:54:06 AM PST by kabar
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To: HOTTIEBOY

"What does Methylsulfonylmethane have to do with any of this?"

Because, just like our current journalistic standards, they are both a GAS!

(So don't get too close to them with a match)


138 posted on 11/01/2005 8:54:27 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: kabar

How can there be "illegal immmigrants" when allyou have to do is show up and entres vous?.......


139 posted on 11/01/2005 8:55:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Spies are the most important asset, because on them depends an army's ability to march. - SUN TZU)
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To: elfman2
Thank you for being the voice of reason in this thread. It is true that the poor assimilation of Arabs and black Africans and the spread of the jihadi ideology among the former is a serious problem, but all this apocalyptic rhetoric is being carried out in a completely data-free environment. What are the fertility rates of Arabs vs. white French? What percentage of Arabs there assimilate? No one really knows. The French government is no help because it doesn't collect racial or religious data, but we are a long way from knowing how bad these problems are. The total damage in these riots may be well less than one day's worth in Watts in 1965, and that didn't cause the U.S. to fall apart. It's not a good sign to be sure, but it doesn't mean the whole society is about to fall apart either.

The lack of decent data makes this whole Islamization-of-France hypothesis (which very respectable and calm people, notably Bernard Lewis, believe) impossible to assert with any confidence.

140 posted on 11/01/2005 8:57:40 AM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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