Posted on 10/29/2005 1:36:18 AM PDT by JTN
"Moonman62, he's willing to risk arrest, incarceration, a large fine, legal bills, his health, his job, his family, his house, the respect of his children, his standing in the community ... but he's not addicted."
Marijuana is not addictive. Speaking from a person who knows about addiction, have been thriught it, and councel addicts (real addicts) to this doay to help them get their lives straight. Pot is not addictive, nor is it a gateway drug.
It is psychologically addictive. Anyone who is willing to risk all of that to smoke pot on a daily basis is addicted, whether they like that word or not.
Dude, you've just disproved your own point. If it IS the drug, we'd expect to see little variance in it's ultimate effects.
Losers tend to overindulge in self-destructive behavior, of whatever type.
Things can get pretty violent, when pot is involved. Especially if there is only one bag of potato chips to go around...
...may be, to some people, that can be true, but you are sweeping with your usual broad brush. You consistently give no weight to reported experiences of users, unless it seems to confirm your premise. Seems like your mind is closed to the possiblity that you could be wrong. That is typical of a zealot.
You can say the same for my love of red wine. I drink it every day. I have, since a friend, who is a heart surgeon, explained the benefits demonstrated through the lifestyles of the French and Italians. Their diet is notorious for its high caloric, and fat contents. I love the taste, and look forward to it.
I first smoked pot, in San Francisco, 1967, while on a weekend pass from my ship. I was accompanied by two young men, who were midshipmen. We went to see Big Brother, at the Fillmore, and wandered around Haight Street.
One of the young men has become an Admiral. The other commands a cruiser. They are still among my circle of friends. They have smoked since then, I can affirm. I passed the bowl.
I see people who stop by the local Sheetz, every afternoon, and pick up a 12-pack. They pop at least one on the way home, and finish them in time to drop into bed. Then, next morning, they go back to their employment as truck drivers, construction folk, and whatever. Some of them are among my friends, as well.
One of my very close friends smokes pot, almost daily. He is a physician. He puts bones together. He recommends pot, even if the AMA is PC... He says it is better than booze! He would debate your claims, but he's too busy helping people...
According to statistics, most people stop smoking dope in their 30's.
If your physician friend is still smoking pot on a daily basis, despite the risks I outlined, then he's addicted.
Of course it isn't although the term 'Pot Head' because of constant use does come to mind.
Not all of us do. I smoked 2 packs a day for 41 years before I quit. That was 12 years ago.
My husband gave up cigarettes also but went to smoking a small bowl pipe w/filter.
...and we all know that you are the addiction expert...
According to RP, you are an addict, if you do something daily!
I breathe daily, therefore I am an addict.
I eat daily, therefore I am an addict.
I drink red wine daily, therefore I am an addict.
I shiite daily, therefore I am an addict.
I go to sleep daily, therefore I am an addict.
I drive my car daily, therefore I am an addict.
I kiss my wife, therefore I am an addict.
I am alive today, therefore I am an addict.
I read idiotic posts like yours daily, therefore I am an addict.
You must have a sad life, to have to worry so much about the health of others, daily...
"Anyone who is willing to risk all of that to smoke pot on a daily basis is addicted"
Are we then psychologicaly addicted to freedom too then?
Same logic.
People risk EVERYTHING to make their own choices and that is the very fabric of our society. If you are anti pot..so be it. You have the choice to ignore blunts and bongs. You have every right to do so. What right does not exist is for ideologs to make choices for everyone else.
Wanna see what the nation REALLY feels about this?
Take a national referendum and lets just see.
It is the function of society to determine how we will all live together -- to set up the rules under which we exist. Society has decided not to protect your right to ingest recreational drugs.
"Take a national referendum and lets just see."
Americans oppose the legalization of recreational drugs in every poll I've seen.
"It is the function of society to determine how we will all live together"
How does me smoking a joint in my own home before I go to bed have anything to do with you or anyone else? It Doesn't now does it!
"Society has decided not to protect your right to ingest recreational drugs."
You mean Like alcohol? Caffine? Nicotine? Cmon now, surely you can do better than that!
"Americans oppose the legalization of recreational drugs in every poll I've seen."
Americans want to see alcohol outlawed? Cmon now!
I guess you didn't see the 'poll' in Denver eh? What you take as total legalization is actually people wanting to create, keep and use their own supply without losing everything they own and put in jail for decades.
Please explain to me how this situation harms you or any other person(s) in any way.
I grow two plants in my basement, I cure those two plants in my basement. I imbibe the flowers of those plants in my bsement over the course of several months. I never leave my house with it, noone ever has or gaines access to it but me, it is never sold to anyone. None ever sees it, knows its there or is even told about it.
You sir, please tell me how THAT damages society. Then tell me where society has the right to determine what I do in my home when what I am doing causes no harm to anyone or anything.
Justify to me why this example would see everything I own confiscated and me jailed for decades. Go for it.
To: BlueStateDepression
"What right does not exist is for ideologs to make choices for everyone else."
It is the function of society to determine how we will all live together -- to set up the rules under which we exist. Society has decided not to protect your right to ingest recreational drugs.
"Take a national referendum and lets just see."
Americans oppose the legalization of recreational drugs in every poll I've seen.
71 posted on 11/05/2005 8:33:18 AM CST by robertpaulsen
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To: Moonman62
"Too bad they couldn't be honest about it, but considering who they are I'm not surprised."
If they were honest about it, the initiative would have failed.
48 posted on 11/02/2005 10:49:44 AM CST by robertpaulsen
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Notice the dates. On the 5TH you say (((((Americans oppose the legalization of recreational drugs in every poll I've seen.)))))
When on the 2ND you are discussing the APPROVAL of the Denver people of this subject.(((((Denver residents Tuesday voted to legalize possession of small amounts of marijuana,))))
You sir, just made a FOOL of yourself.
Well I did using your own posts......
Nationwide polls, not just some city referendum that people had to be tricked into voting for.
Well, with 800,000 marijuana arrests each year, obviously not everyone is smoking at home like you are, huh? So what's your point? We should make an exception in the laws for just you?
It's all about you, isn't it?
In the 1980's in Alaska, marijuana was legal only for adults, only in small amounts, and only at home. According to a 1988 University of Alaska survey, Alaskan teens were smoking pot at twice the national teen average.
A referendum was passed in 1990 making marijuana illegal. By the year 2000, Alaskan teen use dropped to within 1% of the national average.
Don't tell me your smoking at home doesn't damage society. Don't tell me your smoking has no effect on anyone else. Don't tell me that society has no right to determine the laws under which we all agree to live.
So, now that you know that your smoking DOES harm others, are you going to stop? No, somehow I think you'll manage to continue living your self-centered, immoral, hedonistic lifestyle and screw everybody else, right?
"Don't tell me your smoking at home doesn't damage society. Don't tell me your smoking has no effect on anyone else. Don't tell me that society has no right to determine the laws under which we all agree to live."
Seems you just do not want to hear it. It seems you want society to make laws UNTIL such time as YOU disagree with them.
In a country where individual liberty is the very fabric of our society...YES in this example I gave to you it IS all about ME. Context sir, learn about it.
"So, now that you know that your smoking DOES harm others"
You have demonstrated NO such thing.
"self-centered, immoral, hedonistic lifestyle and screw everybody else, right?"
Everything you said there is perspective judgment that you make towards me and you don't even know me!
Maybe it is time you look in the mirror. OOOps maybe that is what you were doing when you went on such a name calling tirade.
What you exhibit in this post is lashing out at a person that put you in your place using your own words to do so.
You sir, are an ideolog that wishes to impose his own views on all people. You sir, act in concert with Osama Bin Laden.
You exhibit the very same mentality that claims to know what is right for all people and will impose blanket policy towards all people. Such grand company you keep.
Hamburgers make you fat, thus a health risk BAN EM right?
Cigs are bad BAN EM right?
Alcohol is bad right? BAN THAT TOO....ooops already TRIED that HUH?
Now I suppose I could call you a lying, truth distorting, propagandist that seeks to impose his will in an imperialistic, archaic fashion. I could also say that you ignore reality and make any claim that sounds good to you at the time. I could call you a leftist liberal freakazoid that thinks he knows all peoples lives, the circumstances under which they live them and all peoples bodies well enough to make all peoples decisions for them. I could say you are a one that seeks to remove all liberty from anyone who disagrees with you.
But I wont say those things to you.
You know why?
You already know all these things as you spout them loudly with every post you make.
I notice that you didn't address the little 'fib' you told about all the 'polls' you have seen.
Gee I wonder why that is.......
Dude, you crack me up.
"I notice that you didn't address the little 'fib' you told about all the 'polls' you have seen."
And I notice that you didn't read my post #74. Remember, your post referred to a national referendum (Take a national referendum and lets just see), not some city vote.
I lurk on many threads and it seems to me that perhaps you are "addicted" to marijuana threads. Interesting.
Hmmmmm. It seems to me that perhaps you are "addicted" to lurking.
One does not always have to "post comments" on a thread in order to learn something from it. As a matter of fact, I believe that some folks would learn more if they would be quiet long enough to listen to other points of view. Then, of course, there are those who suffer from the "closed mind" syndrome where no amount of evidence, factual or otherwise, will sway their opinions one way or another.
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