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Blue-state blue about path of USA, some Vermonters want out (First Civil Unions Now Secession)
Boston Globe ^ | 10/28/05 | David Gram

Posted on 10/28/2005 3:12:42 PM PDT by Airborne1986

MONTPELIER, Vt. --A car parked outside the Statehouse bore a bumper sticker saying, "Regime change begins at home." Inside, about 100 Vermonters gathered in the House chamber for the Vermont Independence Convention --devoted to Vermont creating a regime of its own.

If participants have their way, the state whose former governor was laughed out of the 2004 presidential race after the infamous Iowa scream is going to take what some call its wackiness and others call its sanity in a crazy world and go home.

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Ethan Allen, who led the Green Mountain Boys to take Fort Ticonderoga from the British in 1775, was among those in attendance, in the person of actor Jim Hogue. Ticonderoga fell without a shot fired, and it was agreed Friday that the new revolution would have to be nonviolent as well.

"Let history record that we, still carrying on without firing a shot, brought to their knees all those who, in the name of security made enemies, in the name of patriotism wrought treason and tyranny, in the name of peace made war and in the name of liberty would turn us into slaves," Hogue's Allen said.

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Independence was the subject of a series of light-hearted debates around the state in 1991, on the bicentennial of Vermont's statehood. State Supreme Court Justice John Dooley -- a Stephen Douglas look-alike -- supported staying in. University of Vermont history professor Frank Bryan argued for getting out.

At the end of each debate the audience voted, and in every case, they voted to leave the Union. Nothing much happened as a result, but the message of Friday's convention appeared to be: If at first you don't secede ...

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: bluestates; koolaid; leftistrevisionism; secession; vermont; whackjobs
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To: Airborne1986

VT borders Quebec - I suggest the two secede together - start a new country called Canusa - allow fag marriages, sex with animals. Let all the freaks from Canada and the USA go there to start life anew ...


21 posted on 10/28/2005 3:27:39 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Psycho_Bunny

This is just a vanity play - a bunch of self-congratulatory liberals entertaining themselves by complimenting each other for their wit and generosity - before snacking on white wine and brie and driving away in their Volvos.


22 posted on 10/28/2005 3:29:42 PM PDT by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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To: Grampa Dave

My guess is that the pirate shirt if part of James everyday wardrobe and he just wears the uniform on date nights.


23 posted on 10/28/2005 3:31:13 PM PDT by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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To: Airborne1986

BYE BYE--THEY WILL BE SPEAKING FRENCH BEFORE THEY KNOW IT.


24 posted on 10/28/2005 3:37:16 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Airborne1986
... a bunch of self-congratulatory liberals ...

Order of Smug Ankle-Biters, First Class:

"Vermont is smaller, more rural, more democratic, less violent, less commercial, more egalitarian and more independent than most states," Naylor said. "It offers itself as a kinder, gentler metaphor for a nation obsessed with money, power, size, speed, greed and fear of terrorism."

25 posted on 10/28/2005 3:42:20 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Airborne1986

Let all the states go.


26 posted on 10/28/2005 3:44:56 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: Airborne1986

"he just wears the uniform on date nights."

Looking at him, he has had a lot of "Date Knights!


27 posted on 10/28/2005 3:46:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: ryan71

Let all the "blue" states go.


28 posted on 10/28/2005 3:47:18 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: Airborne1986

I've been saying for years that Vermont, not New Hampshire, is where the Free Staters need to settle. This is a state that's ripe for a lot of their pet projects. And if they were to actually elect Libertarians to the House or Senate, they would be replacing useless crap like Sanders, Jeffords and Leahy. They would be better almost by default.

And any state that can elect Howard Dean are obviously snow-blinded already.


29 posted on 10/28/2005 3:53:07 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Airborne1986

Vermont wants out? I'd vote for that. Totally out.


30 posted on 10/28/2005 3:54:40 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: wardaddy; stainlessbanner

Ironic Yankee secessionism ping.

I say let them secede so Red-Staters can have reason for invasion and reconstruction of the whole state.


31 posted on 10/28/2005 3:57:11 PM PDT by bourbon (conservatism over cronyism!)
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To: Airborne1986


Go for it! The South's behind you all the way in your endeavor. lol


32 posted on 10/28/2005 4:41:29 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Airborne1986; floriduh voter
The prancing lawyer for Joe Wilson, shown below, looks like he might be a buddy of this clown.


33 posted on 10/28/2005 4:51:27 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Airborne1986

One commie state down and 6 more to go.


34 posted on 10/28/2005 4:55:35 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA))
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To: Airborne1986

Do you mean the loin cloth he wears in his famous role of 'Pepe, the Island Boy'?


35 posted on 10/28/2005 4:56:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Airborne1986

Typical blue state cowards.
Don't go away mad, just go away!


36 posted on 10/28/2005 5:03:15 PM PDT by MountainDad
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To: Airborne1986

Don't be so dismissive of these guys. Their thinking opens the door to something called "Tax Parity" that is an ultra-radical idea that States receive no more in Fed money than they put in. If it went through, many Red States would be devastated, as the Blue States are the engines of the economy.


37 posted on 10/28/2005 5:05:36 PM PDT by durasell
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To: Airborne1986

The Free Staters in New Hampshire might agree with Vermont. But for entirely different reasons.


38 posted on 10/28/2005 5:05:56 PM PDT by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Gondring

Let’s see - this is the second time that a New England state has “seriously” discussed succeeding from the Union. The first time was during the War of 1812 - something about their pocketbooks being hurt by the British blockade.

I wonder if this large (?) group of five-year olds (that is what they are behaving like) really understand what is going on? Yes - they would have their own way. But how many intellectuals could afford to remain? If (once?) succession occurs every resident in Vermont becomes an alien to the rest of us (well, officially becomes an alien to the rest of us). This means border crossings, passports, inspections of private connivances, international trade negotiations, tariffs and similar protectionism on all exports to Vermont as well as all imports. And the list goes on and on. In a short time all capital (physical as well as intellectual) would flee Vermont because they couldn’t afford to live there and that is before the “Free State of Vermont“ begins massive collectivization of private property because that is the only way to “pay“ for their new found freedoms. For partial proof of this statement see the Bay area of California.

Like most five-year olds, those who are running their mouths are incapable of thinking their statements through to the logical ends. All they see is the immediate fulfillment of their immediate need - everything else comes much later and is left for an adult (Mommy) to solve. The problem with this group is Mommy is only six years old herself.


39 posted on 10/28/2005 5:08:01 PM PDT by Nip (SPECTRE - Still a vision of life and death after 35 years.)
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To: Airborne1986
It was not all that long ago that Vermont was a reliably Republican State. Now it is not only a blue state, but a full-fledged lunatic asylum.

In the last century there was a political slogan which said "As Maine goes, so goes the nation."(Hence the Maine state motto, "Dirigo"). After the 1936 election, when Alf Landon carried only two states against FDR, some wag suggested the slogan be changed to: "As Maine goes, so goes Vermont."

40 posted on 10/28/2005 5:13:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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