Posted on 10/27/2005 7:20:09 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
Correction - Amy Richards didn't have IVF, she went off the pill and evidently had unprotected intercourse during the fertility spike that occurs after doing so.
You mean the "message" that one should avoid areas subject to hurricanes?
No, the other more general message.
This is yet another hot button issue that will be a non-issue within one generation, thank God. This will be my last post on the issue. Feel free to continue your crusade as the moral police...
Still waiting to hear if you have an opinion on Judge Alito.
I've never said that the technology should be outlawed. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else responding to this thread?
You can't answer it because it defeats your arguement. If you don't have a discussion it doesn't bother me none.
No way to know.. while I believe that all life is precious and that I don't think it's right to have an abortion as a way of birth control.
I don't know for sure. I may be killing life.. in the sense that cells are alive.. but am I killing a soul. That no one can answer.
Now, let's look at the science and common sense.
How does a member of a species become a member?... Is it by default, conceived by members of the species therefore the conceived must be a member of same species? Or is there some magic thinking process which conveys species membership only upon those chosen by some means known to the older members of the species? Or is there some nebulous non-entity segment in gestation, a period during which the conceived could become any number of other species? Of course it is the first, by default, those conceived by two of the species are therefore members of the parents' species ... so far in the history of life on planet earth.
Is there some means by which value as a living member of the species can be conveyed?... In the natural sense, it is always upon birth into the air world, with all species. But are humans merely another species, or are humans somehow different? If we continue to dehumanize our preborn, we will prove ourselves merely another of the animal species on this planet. But I choose to believe we are different, if for no other reason than we have reached the state whereby we CAN be more than the natural world in which we eat and breath and seek shelter. Which is to be chosen as the path for future growth?... Mere animal status, or something more? The poster to whom I am responding would have the reader believe alive membership status in a species is arbitrary, something depending upon the choice of the other species member giving life support. What do you the reader believe? what is the higher level of 'choice'? Yes, CHOICE, for beliefs are chosen when it is all said and done. Do we choose to dehumanize our alive unborn or cherish them as fellow, innocent, to-be-protect members of our species? Almond Joy appears comfortable with the first (dehumanize the unborn and toss the 'moral' outcome aside for someone else to address), but how about the casual reader of this thread?
Pings to all, if you're so inclined tonight.
"Storage of embryos is completely safe." The fact that you would make such a misstatement shows you need to do a bit more study before spouting off ... unless the embryo age of the human lifetime is of no consequence in your calculus. In which case the entire IVF process is void of significance for a particular species or members of the species in the effort, becoming a magic process whereby a clump of cells magically transforms into a human clump of cells with significance based upon an arbitrary assignment of value.
I can see that you are a morally devoid wolf in sheeps clothing...
I am assuming Almond Joy never saw those newer ultra sound photos. Which may be why he calls fetuses a bunch of cells.
Don't assume such ... it never fails to astonish me just how well some can dismiss factual material that would shake their belief system. But the videos of alive humans in the womb moving around is a hard thing to dissemble away, just as the proven ability to learn at many weeks age before birth is a hard thing to dismiss as anomolous ... but many choose to do so!.
pingout tomorrow.
A character in one of my novels told me the following: do you know what you get when you assume?... full of donkey meat.
I have to upgrade my system environment. When I get that done, I have a video I want to record to an WMV file.
I look forward to people's reactions when I get it online.
Perhaps if you had read all of my posts you might have a clue as to what I was talking about.
Based on your answer I believe you missed the boat.
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