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Expulsion For Gay Comments? Duquesne Student Resists Punishment
WTAE via Drudge ^ | 10.27.05

Posted on 10/27/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by Coleus

Expulsion For Gay Comments? Duquesne Student Resists Punishment

Catholic University Sanctions Student for Calling Homosexuality 'Subhuman'

A Duquesne University sophomore will risk being kicked out of school rather than write an essay as punishment for expressing his view that homosexuality is "subhuman."

Ryan Miner, 19, of Hagerstown, Md., was sanctioned by Duquesne after posting his view in The Facebook, an online directory that is not related to the university.

Miner opposed an effort by other students to form a Gay-Straight Alliance group, an issue that is still being debated by the university.

"I believe as a student that my First Amendment rights in the Constitution were subverted and attacked," said Miner.

After Miner's comments appeared online, some students complained to the school.

After a hearing, the Office of Judicial Affairs found Miner guilty of violating the University Code, which prohibits harassment or discrimination based on sexual orientation, among other groups.

A 10-page paper was assigned as punishment. Miner said he refuses to write it and will file an appeal.



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To: jjmcgo

There's no such thing as original sin.


161 posted on 10/28/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: clee1
The sex drive is (arguably) the strongest drive an animal has.

Survival is actually the strongest drive that an animal has. A zebra running from a lion isn't going to stop to engage in sex with another zebra.

162 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:01 AM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: spunkets

We were talking about Catholic dogma, not arguing whether it's correct, or whether Protestants, agnostics, heretics, wack jobs or sub-humans agree with us or not.


163 posted on 10/28/2005 10:40:23 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: judgeandjury

A male praying mantis watches every older male praying mantis get seduced, have sex, and then get eaten. When it's his turn, he gets eaten too.


164 posted on 10/28/2005 10:41:59 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: The Louiswu
Dogs also eat stuff it is best not to think about. Does that mean we should? Why bother having health regulations for food servers -- a cockroach in the moo goo gai pan is acceptable to dogs and monkeys. And vultures eat rotting meat. Animals do it, we should?

Right?

Wrong. We are not animals, we are not a particular animal. We are men. The rules for us are different. We have animal parts, but they are subservient, ideally, to our human parts. We talk, we walk on two feet. We feel shame, we feel honor.

There's no honor in homosexuality, and plenty of shame. Why do any humans enage in it? Many reasons, none good. Mostly because the animalistic part of us has a great desire to dominate the human part. But that's not our destiny ...

165 posted on 10/28/2005 10:53:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: jjmcgo
Plenty of animals eat their young.

Male lions kill the offspring of other males when they take over a pride from a weaker male.

Plenty of humans kill their young with abortion. Hell, even some strap bombs to them. Does this make them any more civilized or more human? It makes them much less so - - SUB-EFFING-HUMAN!!!

GET OVER IT AND STOP BEING AN APOLOGIST FOR THE SUB-HUMAN SCUM IN THE WORLD!

166 posted on 10/28/2005 11:58:04 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: bk1000
No high school should allow groups dedicated to sexuality. Period.

The age of consent... plain and simple.

167 posted on 10/28/2005 12:01:09 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The Aztecs were pagans and their primitive civilization fell because of their own pagan superstitions. They could have easily swept Cortez and his men off the face of the earth.

The Aztecs needed lots sacrificial victims for their gods as a result they scheduled wars. They'd get together with the leaders of the other side and decide who would win (mostly the Aztecs) and how many would die and how many prisoners for sacrifice. After the battle the Aztec leaders would dine behind rose screens on the flesh of the victims. Their guests would be the leadership of the other side.

The Aztecs were hated by all the neighboring tribes because of this and other issues. The neighbors joined Cortez's small group. The result was a huge army that opposed the Aztec armies. In part the Aztecs thought the Spanish would play the same kind of game, but they were surprised when they didn't. The fact that Cortez was joined by just about all of the Aztec's neighbors along with their absolute hatred of the Aztecs is usually left out or downplayed in our basic textbooks.

I would say it is inhuman Nothing civilized about it at all.

Being civilized and being human aren't the same thing. It's apple and oranges. Civilized people have done awful things but they are still human behavior.
168 posted on 10/28/2005 7:47:49 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: spunkets
I like the Pope's explanation of "original sin" which is found in his book about creation. It's in one of the 5 homilies. Simplifying it a bit he argues that "original sin" is a result of mans attempt to become god which damaged the relationship between man and God. This damaged relationship and is cause affects all of our other relationships. This damages our relationship with our children, etc which is how it is passed on from father to son. Only God can fix the relationship and that's what God was doing with Jesus.

As I said I'm simplifying his argument and would suggest you read his homily. His explanation is far better than something passed down through sexually.
169 posted on 10/28/2005 7:54:16 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: airedale
"Simplifying it a bit he argues that "original sin" is a result of mans attempt to become god which damaged the relationship between man and God."

I call that the first sin. The Pope was correct, it was Adam and Eve's attempt to become like God, by taking what they thought was the living waters. This post here can be followed backwards to post #58, where I began the explainaiton.

"This damaged relationship and is cause affects all of our other relationships. This damages our relationship with our children, etc which is how it is passed on from father to son."

Now here there's a problem, because the Council of Orange(the Church) and all the mainline protestants say that all of man is guilty of the first man's sin. There is neither a damaged relaitonship, a natural tendency to sin, total depravity, nor guilt that passes on. Man is born in the image and likeness of God, just as it was in the beginning.

"Only God can fix the relationship and that's what God was doing with Jesus."

If God fixed this "relaitonship", then He could just do it. Nothing would be required of man at all. God said in John 6:44, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." This does not happen by some act of God, such as applying some mysterious force of Grace. It happens by God making Himself known, man recognizing what is seen and judging. The draw is the teachings of the love, knowledge and wisdom of God. That is the action of the Holy Spirit making Himself known. That is man's to judge. John goes on:

John 6:45-51 It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

"As I said I'm simplifying his argument and would suggest you read his homily. "

Pope Benedict? Where is this homily?

170 posted on 10/28/2005 9:08:03 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Coleus; All

Here's a link to a new article about this student, with more detail and a photo of the standup young man:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1511514/posts?page=1
Catholic University Threatening to Expel Student for Calling Homosexual Acts 'Subhuman'

It's pretty clear that he called homosexual ACTS subhuman, and for that he's getting expelled. Likely. Disgusting for a university that is affiliated with the Catholic Church. Freaking insane.

Luckily there is contact info so you can express your opinion. Hopefully in a polite manner.


171 posted on 10/29/2005 8:19:33 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: airedale; spunkets

We have each of us individually rebelled against God out of envy. The evil is in each of our own hearts. That's why the journey back Home is one we each have to take as individuals.

The Prodigal Son is a perfect illustration of the position of every fallen human being and the solution we all need to follow.


172 posted on 10/29/2005 8:56:45 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
"We have each of us individually rebelled against God out of envy."

I haven't. See John 9, neither the blind man nor the parents did. I even recall a centurion that did not.

"The evil is in each of our own hearts."

No, it is not. Else, no one would judge and respond to the draw.

"The Prodigal Son is a perfect illustration of the position of every fallen human being..."

It is not. The Prodigal son left on his own and came back. No one is born "prodigal".

173 posted on 10/29/2005 9:54:04 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Brilliant

if the school receives any federal funds at all, the first amendment certainly does apply. That isn't the only basis that will lead to this kid winning his case if the school doesn't back down.


174 posted on 10/29/2005 10:05:57 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: spunkets

We'll have to agree to disagree.


175 posted on 10/29/2005 10:32:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

:)


176 posted on 10/29/2005 10:35:15 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

We're probably more in agreement than not, anyway!

:-]


177 posted on 10/29/2005 11:22:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Cicero

He certainly is within his first amendment rights, but it is not congress making a law against him.


178 posted on 10/29/2005 11:25:44 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Chaguito

Perhaps I should also add, academic freedom, which has usually been a highly valued principle in American universities.

The problem is that only politically correct academic freedom is currently allowed. I agree that the university has a right to keep reasonable order. But they have to do so fairly. It's OK for the LGBT faction to jump on this guy with insults, but he's supposed to keep his mouth shut about them. That's not a good basis for discussion of the issues, which is what a college should encourage.

It would be reasonable for them to tell both sides to tone it down, and warn them about continuing unacceptable behavior. But it's not reasonable to punish persons only on one side of the dispute.


179 posted on 10/29/2005 11:56:42 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: spunkets
It's one of the homilies in In the Beginning...: A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall by Cardinal Ratzinger ISBN: 0802841066
180 posted on 10/29/2005 12:07:22 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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