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Plamegate: Bad For McCain (Vanity)

Posted on 10/26/2005 3:51:29 PM PDT by faithincowboys

John McCain, a Neocon's Neocon, will be dead for '08 if Plamegate detonates in the way the Left hopes. Plamegate is a twofer-- it's designed to politically castrate/impeach Bush and to thin the GOP field for Hillary in '08.

McCain's closeness with Chalabi-- there is footage-- will be the focus of the Clinton War Room.

McCain is no winner in '08. The GOP base will have to be passionate for whoever the candidate is-- despite McCain's fiscal thrift, he can never make the base love or trust him.

His Chalabi connection kills him with independents and mods assuming Iraq continues to be a political albatross.

McCain, though he won't be indicted, has much to lose from Plamegate.


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To: faithincowboys

McCain's a Republican?


21 posted on 10/26/2005 4:04:50 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: faithincowboys

Iraq will elect a new government this December. they are rapidly learning to fight their own war. Syria is in trouble and Iran is worried about being invaded.

Things will not be the same in two years, better or worse, but not the same.


22 posted on 10/26/2005 4:06:20 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: faithincowboys

Neocon? Hahahahahaha!

He is an old line member of the GOP:

1. Strong military
2. Budget Hawk
3. And most importantly sucks up to the MSM and the Dims.

I think McCain still thinks the Dims are the majority in the Senate and House.


23 posted on 10/26/2005 4:08:10 PM PDT by JLS
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To: faithincowboys

There's no way in hell McCain could win a GOP primary race. No way.


24 posted on 10/26/2005 4:08:43 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: johnmecainrino; All

Assuming this is as bad as the left hopes it is... def con three scenario, who comes out looking good?

I think Powell is over. He's nothing on the Right and the Left will only sing his praises so long as he and his underlings keep trashing Bush.

McCain is hurt. Armitage is over. Scowcroft is right that a muscular foreign policy will be discredited for a long time if the bleeding doesn't stop.

Who is best positioned to profit from all this? I know the media is eager to make it Hillary. Polls , probably fake polls, say voters now want a woman and voters also prefer a Democrat to steer the ship of state?



25 posted on 10/26/2005 4:09:09 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: JLS

On foreign policy he is a neocon. there is very little daylight between his foreign policy and Cheney's. he is no Powell. He is dreaming if he thinks Bush-Cheney-ism goes down and he won't feel it.


26 posted on 10/26/2005 4:10:51 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys

Attention! Attention! This brain has overheated and will be taken out of circulation for servicing.


27 posted on 10/26/2005 4:11:51 PM PDT by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: faithincowboys

McCain doesn't require any Plamegate fallout to keep him from winning in 2008. His liberal record ought to be enough.


28 posted on 10/26/2005 4:13:13 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Doc Savage

The reason I bring this up is because the conservative establishment thinks Bush is a yesterday man. Judging by comments -- McCain is getting lauded for wanting to cut pork and for speeches he's giving to the conservative think tanks-- the conservative establishment is turning it's sights to McCain as the tommorow man for the cause. I just think it is a bit nutty to do that.


29 posted on 10/26/2005 4:15:42 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys

McCain can toss his hat in the ring, but no will care, let alone vote his way.

Jack.


30 posted on 10/26/2005 4:15:52 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: faithincowboys

If McCain is so weak, and the base will never trust him, why would Hillary want to get rid of him? She should hope he's the candidate, so that none of us will turn out to vote.


31 posted on 10/26/2005 4:16:08 PM PDT by mhx
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To: small voice in the wilderness
..checking my mccain give-a-damn meter.. Nope, still don't care.

i'm getting nothing here in kentucky either. is the mccain give-a-damn network down?

32 posted on 10/26/2005 4:17:03 PM PDT by postaldave (i've given up on being mad in exchange for bitter sarcasm.)
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To: faithincowboys

Who cares? McCain could not win a republican primary in the first place.


33 posted on 10/26/2005 4:17:40 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: faithincowboys
Plamegate is a twofer-- it's designed to politically castrate/impeach Bush and to thin the GOP field for Hillary in '08.

Take a breath. I don't know what this does for McCain (although I don't see it hurting him).

But, please explain how the Dimm's mantra of "a culture of corruption" paves the way for the return of the Clintonistas?

Thanks.

34 posted on 10/26/2005 4:19:46 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: mhx

Yeah, I know. I am saying he's going to get hit with this all in the General. They'll bring up ancient history. They brought up Iran Contra to Bush's Dad in 92-- and that all came out in '86 and '87. 2 years from now it will be well within the media to bring up Chalabi-- especially if Chalabi is shown to be very close to the mullahs and the Iranians get the bomb.


35 posted on 10/26/2005 4:19:56 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Easy.... who is our horse for '08?

How do you think a chump like Carter got in in '76?

It was Watergate -- not saying this is Watergate, but that doesn't imapct the coverage (hell, watergate wasn't watergate-- that got Carter elected.

Hillary will run on competency and argue implicitly that Bill lied about personal stuff "not nat'l security."


36 posted on 10/26/2005 4:22:21 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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How do you think a chump like Carter got in in '76?

Easy. No one knew who he was.

Can't say the same for the Clintonistas.

37 posted on 10/26/2005 4:24:04 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: faithincowboys

Seeing as how Chalabi holds a big chunk of the iraqi "oil for food" records, I'd say the Dems have more to fear from him than they dare let on.


38 posted on 10/26/2005 4:25:15 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: faithincowboys
His Chalabi connection kills him with independents and mods assuming Iraq continues to be a political albatross.

In a cemetery full of them, this is perhaps your most brain-dead vanity yet.

You think, in three years, anybody is going to care who Chalabi is?

39 posted on 10/26/2005 4:27:25 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: faithincowboys

The claims he was an Iranian spy were fabricated.


40 posted on 10/26/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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