Illegal immigrants are criminals

San Diego Union ^ | OCT. 23, 2005 | RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.

[radar101]

The same principle applies to the subject that the audience really wanted to talk about above all others: illegal immigration. And it was during that discussion that reality went out the window.

It started when a woman who identified herself as a teacher asked what she was supposed to tell parents (who were illegal immigrants) about why their children (who were also here illegally) couldn't go to college or apply for financial aid, even after they had worked hard and earned good grades.

You see, typically, the pursuit of higher education requires a valid Social Security number, which illegal immigrants don't have. Some states also require that undocumented immigrant students pay exorbitantly high out-of-state tuition rates, even if they and their families have lived in that particular state and paid taxes for years.

My answer to the question shocked some in the mostly Latino audience: Tell the parents they made a terrible mistake when they came into the country illegally, and that they compounded that mistake every day that they stayed here without legal documentation.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

A simple response will stop that crap from your leftist comrades.

Tell them if they feel so warm toward the trespassers, they should invite some to live in their own houses or apartments. If the illegals are "just people too," they have every right to live with us in our homes or to squat on our property. Who are we to deny access to people "just like us?"

They badly need a place to live, and are poor, so our leftist, bleeding-heart, do-gooders should open hearth and home to them.

The illegals won't mind. They are fine with living 25 to a house and sleeping on the floor so it shouldn't be a problem.

These leftist b***hes who deride you for supporting enforcement of immigration laws are the first to jump into a car and lock the doors against intruders as they clutch their cell phones, ready to dial 911 at the first approach of an unwanted stranger.

They are elitist, hypocrite snobs who wouldn't be caught dead associating with the illiterate trespassing Mexicans they claim to support.

[ImpotentRage]

It was actually a rhetorical question. I am well aware of the globalization occurring and I, too, am waiting for the indebtedness of the American public to catch up to them. I fear it is inevitable and it will be...words fail me.

[lastchance]

The solution seems obvious. Either the illegal immigrants can follow the laws of the US and become legal immigrants or they can be deported. I am not against immigration and know that many of the immigrants who came here illegally do work and simply want a better life for themselves and family. But the fact remains the US has procedures, policies and laws in place for those who want to come into the United States. If those are not followed the immigrant has violated the laws of the US and is a criminal. We are the most generous nation in the world and welcome people of every creed, race and nation. But if someone can not respect the law in coming here they can not expect a carte blanche welcome. If you want to be here follow our laws.

[radar101]

Surprise! If you want to see what it could be like, look no further than California. The Lib legislature passed a bill that would let Illegals attend college WITHOUT Paying out-of-state tuition. Simultaneously, they defeated a measure to cut fees for active duty military.

[taxed2death]

"Then why, pray tell, is George W. Bush so gung-ho on an amnesty for illegals? Inquiring minds want to know."

Because he's a CFR-UN globalist sock puppet, see here:

This was posted by another FReeper...I just borrowed it for a bit....

Start with this summary by Phyllis Schlafly, staunch conservative and friend to Ronald Reagan.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html

...This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details....

This was the meeting where Bush called the Minutemen "Vigilantes."

...the CFR document calls for "a permanent tribunal for North American dispute resolution." Get ready for decisions from non-American judges who make up their rules ad hoc and probably hate the United States anyway...

Bye bye Constitution.

... The CFR document demands that we implement "the Social Security Totalization Agreement negotiated between the United States and Mexico." That's code language for putting illegal aliens into the U.S. Social Security system, which is bound to bankrupt the system...

Bye bye your retirement.

...U.S. taxpayers are supposed to create a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges...

How generous of you to support the higher education of all those foreignors. Will you have enough left over for your own children?

... The CFR document calls for allowing Mexican trucks "unlimited access" to the United States, including the hauling of local loads between U.S. cities...

Look out for that big scary truck!
Talk about drug smuggling and terrorist heaven.

... To ensure that the U.S. government carries out this plan so that it is "achievable" within five years, the CFR calls for supervision by a North American Advisory Council of "eminent persons from outside government....

See? You don't get to vote at all. You just get to pay and surrender your rights at the door.

You can see the plan here.

http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102

Pay particular attention the portion on "Dissenting Views."
That's where some say they haven't sold us out enough, and the the others say they'll have trouble with, "racists, xenophobes and nationalists" who aparrently don't approve of being robbed to support the utopian dream of these traitors.

The talking points of the OBL's on this site come directly from there.

Here's Senator John Cornyn's bill to establish the first building block of this momentous betrayal.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2941:

Highlights:

SEC. 3. PURPOSES.

The purposes of the Fund shall be--

(1) to promote economic and infrastructure integration among Canada, Mexico, and the United States;

(2) to promote education and economic development in Mexico; and

(3) to reduce the wealth gap between Mexico and Canada, and between Mexico and the United States.

Reduce the wealth gap.
Pure Marxism, from your republican administration.

More:

SEC. 4. PROJECTS FUNDED.

(a) IN GENERAL- The Fund shall make grants for projects to carry out the purposes described in section 3, including projects--

(1) to construct roads in Mexico to facilitate trade between Mexico and Canada, and Mexico and the United States;

(2) to develop and implement post-secondary education programs in Mexico;

(3) to install telecommunications technologies throughout Mexico; and

(4) to construct other infrastructure that will carry out such purposes.

(Part two, there's your children's college fund, going to Mexicans.)

More:

SEC. 5. CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE FUND.

(a) IN GENERAL- The terms of the agreement establishing the Fund shall, subject to the limitation in subsection (b), require the Governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States to contribute to the Fund.

(Governments? They're talking about pillaging your paychecks!)

The terms of the agreement establishing the Fund shall require that the Fund operate for an initial period of 10 years.

By then, there will be nothing left of the Republic.

[Travis McGee]

Here is the end of the column.


"I received scattered applause, but it was nothing compared to the rousing response that went to another panelist – Raul Yzaguirre, former president of the National Council of La Raza – when he said that he didn't like the term "illegal immigrant" because he didn't think that people who came to this country to feed their families should be considered criminals.

"What else would we call them? They broke the law. We can be sympathetic to their plight without condoning their actions. In order for Latinos to make real progress, first they have to stay in the real world."

[rbg81]

Without some sort of punishment of the illegals, the illegal immigration problem will never go away.

Well said. Many in Washington are working feverishly to constuct complicated programs that will never work--all because they fail to grasp that simple fact.

[dennisw]

Illegal immigrants are criminals

Sorry to play games, but there is an important definitional distinction. Criminals are folks convicted of violations of the criminal code, which is usually things like murder, rape, armed robbery, burglary, etc.

Wrong. Illegal entry to the USA is a misdemeanor and re-entry after deportation a felony

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1506918/posts?page=6#1 A criminal complaint shows that Ibarra admitted to illegally crossing the Rio Grande from Mexico on June 8. Ibarra appeared Wednesday morning before U.S. Magistrate Judge Felix Recio and received a 30-day jail sentence as well as five years probation for the misdemeanor illegal entry charge.

 

The civil penalties for illegal entry which are rarely if ever enforced. Photo is from the Mexican border

[Tactical]

Surprise! If you want to see what it could be like, look no further than California. The Lib legislature passed a bill that would let Illegals attend college WITHOUT Paying out-of-state tuition. Simultaneously, they defeated a measure to cut fees for active duty military.

I was working in L.E. and remember when the state said we could not enforce immigration laws and by that, they meant do not detain illegal aliens for the USBP.

The order was passed down to us. Well almost half of the people we would contact on patrol could have been illegal aliens. And we frequently called BP to meet us and turned them over to them. Sometimes we'd just drop them off at the detention center.

So we became more creative and just had the dispatcher call USBP and ask for a meet to share information. That info was the illegal alien. No one questioned us about it, so no one got into any trouble.

What bothered me about the whole deal was that when we started our careers, we took an oath to uphold all laws, Federal, State and Local. California didn't quite want that. They wanted it to be more selective enforcement.

Of course we obliged them by selecting to enforce the laws more vigorously.

[1lawlady]

Exodus 22:21 "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt."

And a Biblical text out of context is a pretext. That command was given to the individual rather than a government, and it should be heeded. As an individual who seeks to follow G-d's commands, I'd like you to explain to me how requiring aliens to follow the rules equates to mistreatment and oppression. It doesn't, and your reasoning is flawed. The best commentary on the Bible is the Bible, and another text in Romans 13:1-3. explains and expands the verse you selected to advance your lawlessness. It reads, Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities. The powers that be are ordained of G-d. 2)Whosever resisteth the power resisteth the ordinance of G-d, and they that resisteth shall receive to themselves damnation. 3)For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thous not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same. Like you and me, aliens must obey the immigration laws. It is not cruel to require them to do so.

Another verse in Exodus 20:15 tells individuals not to steal. What would you call it, other than stealing when they are demanding our tax dollars to finance their education, medication, hospitalization, incarceration, and procreation without contributing one thin dime? As a person who is awaiting a kidney transplant, I see first hand how much it costs me for care to subsidize theirs. Theirs is free and I pay extra. That's stealing, and you would call it oppressive and abuse. Get a clue.

[1lawlady]

That's stealing, and you would call it oppressive and abuse.

CORRECTION: That's stealing and you call my protestation of it oppressive and abusive. Get a clue!

[mountainlyons]

I think that illegals should have SSN and drivers licenses like felons should carry guns!

[Oatka]

Some states also require that undocumented immigrant students pay exorbitantly high out-of-state tuition rates . . ."

The same rates as other U.S. citizens who live outside that state. If there's so much angst about this, then mandate the same fees to ALL applicants. Instead, we have the outrageous situation in some states that illegal aliens get a cheaper rate than citizens from out of state.

Doesn't The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment come into play somewhere along the line here? It must not or someone would have sued - and lost.

[Osage Orange]

You are playing a game reserved for the DemoSocialistMarxistLeftist Libs....

Like when they said, the bible say's not to judge...and those without sin, should cast the first stone. Those two bibilical references are twisted out of context all the time...and you have attempted the same thing here.

Sorry....it won't wash.

[john drake]

understood...and empathize with your moniker.

[Osage Orange]

Ummmmmm.....Ruben Navarrette hasn't won me over, as he seemingly has you guy's.

The fishwrap I read....has taken to printing some of his editorials....and I've not been impressed. Maybe he is seeing some light? I hope so.....

FRegards,

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Based on the previous column from Ruben Navarrette Jr. I'm going to dispute that statement. Of course, there are many here who agree with him on allowing illegal aliens to rebuild New Orleans, so...

[judgeandjury]

I received scattered applause, but it was nothing compared to the rousing response that went to another panelist – Raul Yzaguirre, former president of the National Council of La Raza – when he said that he didn't like the term "illegal immigrant" because he didn't think that people who came to this country to feed their families should be considered criminals.

So, Raul Yzaguirre, former president Grand Imperial Wizard of the National Council of La Raza doesn't like the term "illegal immigrant". Ain't that just too bad.

[calrighty]

"You are a criminal invader. Take not my job, as I am a legal American blue collar worker with a wife and 2 young children to feed."

[calrighty]

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