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Nonprofit group criticizes proposed Kansas science standards [that attack evolution]
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 13 October 2005 | JOHN MILBURN

Posted on 10/22/2005 2:36:07 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Proposed Kansas science standards that detractors view as attacking evolution have been criticized by a nonprofit educational research firm for being confusing and poorly written in places.

A report from the Mid-Continent Research for Education and Learning in Aurora, Colo., gave the Kansas standards good marks for being appropriate for all students, meeting testing criteria and challenging students to learn at a high level.

However, the report criticized the standards as unclear, especially in areas related to evolution and the study of life's origins. The review noted the state doesn't expect to test students on many key elements of evolution covered by language in the standards.

"These standards still need a lot of work, and there's still a lot of problems with them," said Steve Case, assistant director of the Center for Science Education at the University of Kansas.

Case is co-chairman of a committee of educators who proposed revising the state's existing science standards but continuing to treat evolution as solid science, crucial for students to learn. Kansas law requires the State Board of Education to update academic standards regularly.

The board could vote on the final version of the science standards later this year. The standards will be used to develop tests for students.

Intelligent-design advocates persuaded the state board's 6-4 conservative [Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!] majority to include language in the proposed standards indicating there's a controversy over evolutionary theory - drawing criticism from many scientists.

The state board ordered Mid-Continent's review, a standard practice when the board is revising academic standards. The board could order its staff or Case's committee to make further revisions in response.

But Case said his committee is unlikely to do more work, noting that much of the criticism in the Mid-Continent review arose from changes made by conservative board members.

Case said there's no excuse for anything but top scores from an outside review. However, Mid-Continent's criticisms - that parts of the proposed standards were poorly worded or unclear or that statements were not supported by scientists - are reason to continue working on the document, he said.

Yet the Mid-Continent report cited only 7 percent of the material in the standards as questionable. Much of that material reflected intelligent-design advocates' criticism of evolutionary theory that natural chemical processes can create the building blocks of life, that all life has a common origin and that man and apes share a common ancestor .

"I'm not sure the public understands the nature of this review," Case said. "What they will hear is that the standards are pretty solid."

John Calvert, a retired Lake Quivira attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said he expected criticism of the proposed standards.

But he noted that a board subcommittee had four days of hearings in May to examine questions about evolutionary theory. National and state science groups boycotted, viewing the hearings as rigged against evolution.

"I could have predicted the reviewers would not embrace these changes. I would not expect the reviewers to be jumping for joy," Calvert said.

Intelligent-design advocates argue some features of the natural world are best explained by an intelligent cause. Calvert said including language they seek in the standards gives teachers the freedom to consider other theories and to have a meaningful discussion of evolution.

Case said the proposed standards confuse the lines between good science and the supernatural. He added that an outside review isn't going to show much support for intelligent design or other ideas not accepted by scientists.

And Case said approval of new standards could be delayed if the national and international science groups balk at allowing their materials to be part of the Kansas standards.

In 1999, those organizations refused to grant copyright permission for changes in the Kansas standards that eliminated most references to evolution. Two years later, after elections, the board rewrote the standards again, making them evolution-friendly.

Calvert said it would be unfortunate to delay the process, but not unexpected if copyrights became a sticking point.

"If national organizations try to use that kind of strong-arm method, it's just another example of science interfering with education," Calvert said. [Unbelievable statement.]


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; kansas; scienceeducation
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We've been paying attention to the trial in Dover, but the Kansas situation may be heating up. Underlining and bracketted comments added by me. Everyone be nice.
1 posted on 10/22/2005 2:36:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 10/22/2005 2:37:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry
A report from the Mid-Continent Research for Education and Learning in Aurora, Colo., gave the Kansas standards good marks for being appropriate for all students, meeting testing criteria and challenging students to learn at a high level. However, the report criticized the standards as unclear, especially in areas related to evolution and the study of life's origins. The review noted the state doesn't expect to test students on many key elements of evolution covered by language in the standards"

If that's the only complaint it sounds like science education hasn't been hurt that badly yet. That's somewhat encouraging.

3 posted on 10/22/2005 2:42:25 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: PatrickHenry
"If national organizations try to use that kind of strong-arm method, it's just another example of science interfering with education,"

Pesky scientists! Wadda they know anyway? Placemarker

4 posted on 10/22/2005 2:42:47 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

those pesky science classes are nothing but science interfering with education.


5 posted on 10/22/2005 2:44:47 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: PatrickHenry

Sorry. Intelligent design isn't science. Teaching ID in science class is tantamount to conceding scientific instruction in our schools isn't important but religious indoctrination is.


7 posted on 10/22/2005 2:52:58 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: bobdsmith
those pesky science classes are nothing but science interfering with education.

You want useless, try education departments. At every college I attended they were laughed at; worse even than sociology.

Now science classes, that's where the cool people hung out!

8 posted on 10/22/2005 2:55:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's a terrible shame that scientists are expecting to determine what should be taught as science. It would be much better if all science was determined by public referendum.

Do I really need a sacasm tag?

9 posted on 10/22/2005 3:01:40 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: Coyoteman

I have a question. Is computer science considered a science? Why or why not?


10 posted on 10/22/2005 3:03:59 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: b_sharp
I have a question. Is computer science considered a science? Why or why not?

Beats me. Don't really care--never took any. Probably a lot more science there than in political science though.

11 posted on 10/22/2005 3:05:51 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

Well then how the heck do I know if I'm cool or not?


12 posted on 10/22/2005 3:18:39 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: b_sharp
Well then how the heck do I know if I'm cool or not?

Cool? You want cool?

1) Put on bathing suit
2) Go outside

You'll be cool, all right!

13 posted on 10/22/2005 3:23:21 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dimensio
"If national organizations try to use that kind of strong-arm method, it's just another example of science interfering with education,"

How dare science take a position on the teaching of science!

14 posted on 10/22/2005 3:32:46 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: b_sharp
Since your profile page reports that you have a CS degree, I assume you have an opinion on that question already ;)

Personally, my opinion is that CS is rather more akin to mathematics than to either theoretical or applied science. YMMV.

15 posted on 10/22/2005 3:34:00 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow; b_sharp
Personally, my opinion is that CS is rather more akin to mathematics than to either theoretical or applied science. YMMV.

You could make the same comment about particle physics theory - I'd say that CS is more akin to applied science than some branches of physics theory. There's not really a fine dividing line...

16 posted on 10/22/2005 3:49:09 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: PatrickHenry
In 1999, those organizations refused to grant copyright permission for changes in the Kansas standards that eliminated most references to evolution. Two years later, after elections, the board rewrote the standards again, making them evolution-friendly.

IOW, there's hope for Kansas but, it's coming from outside the state?

and that man and apes share a common ancestor.

People who have a problem with that are coming from a point of superstitious ignorance and should avoid science debates as deliberately as they've avoided science class.

17 posted on 10/22/2005 4:00:18 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"Personally, my opinion is that CS is rather more akin to mathematics than to either theoretical or applied science.

I consider some of it to be science. One of my profs was doing research into plant fractals where he modeled the growth of plants through the use of fractals. That I consider science. I don't consider the design of administration programs using COBOL to be science. My work was closer to applied science. I was programming psuedo-AI systems used to determine environmentally sound infrastructure placement in new sub divisions. (I gave that up 15 years ago - big mistake)

18 posted on 10/22/2005 4:00:28 PM PDT by b_sharp (Tagline? What tagline?)
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To: b_sharp
"I have a question. Is computer science considered a science? Why or why not?"

I'd consider it a science in the same sense that economics is a science. CS uses logic is a concise and elegant fashion the way mathematics does but most of it's most common applications are commercial, not all but most.

19 posted on 10/22/2005 4:19:07 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: All
Another article about the Kansas mess: Antievolutionism bad for business in Kansas.

I might add that it's bad for conservatism too.

20 posted on 10/22/2005 5:13:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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